with the vernon damer family, and it's a side, and not that important, but it's interesting. but vernon damer, his father, was actually a white man. and he lived his whole life as a black man. very interesting, right? you know, but that wasn't something they told me the first time i showed up. and that was the story they told me after years of beginning to trust me. but i thought it was a fascinating story. i'm only giving you parts of that story, but it's very fascinating. vernon damer was the only one who stayed the whole rest of the family moved, left mississippi, and some past for white up north, which is a whole other kind of interesting saga as well. so, those are the kinds of stories you find out overtime, and why do you find that out? because the family trusts you, and he began to share information. when you begin to, do you have all this information, and gradually say, well it is something you'd be comfortable talking about in a news story? you don't instantly jump and say, hey, i'm going to do a story on this. you begin to get them to trust you, like a source. let's