and vernon johns says, you got to be careful because that's a big "n" word church. down home earthier vernacular backstage. it's not the metropolitan opera. but they were all part of king. and andrew young was described to me, you know, somebody who worked with king for a long time in the movement. king loved to crack jokes about crackers and his nickname for young, moments before king was killed he was looking for young and he would mock inpatience, just where have you been, this rep parte, ethnic -- you know, backstage with his buddies. king was a great mimic and a very funny guy and, of course, he knew he would be killed from early on. after the montgomery boycott. he did not expect to live a long life. and one of the things he and his buddies would preach their funeral sermons to each other and they would rehearse it and king said you think they're going to get me first but, no, you're going to be out there jumping in front of the camera and they're going to get one of you but i will preach you the best funeral you ever had. and then he would get going with it.

best friend from this period are people like julian bond, who i've known since the 60's and john lewis. i met vernon jordan back in this period when he was registering voters back in the 60's, but the one who made the biggest impression on me who is not alive actually is epta mcclark. i dedicated the book to her because she -- c-span: first book. >> guest: the first book because she was just and utterly interregional literacy teacher who invented methods that i think are still being studied around the world for teaching adults literacy. and i guess diane - -- i just saw in early february a few weeks ago in chicago. and she was the leader of the freedom rides, came down from the south, a beauty queen from chicago and an early leader of the going to jail movement that i think basically provided a lot of the backbone to the early student movement right on through the freedom rides and being beaten up their into jail. she had her first baby in jail, almost and then in birmingham with the children with her husband, bevel, who tragically left her. bevel was one of the rascals in the movement. he was a gen

vernon and takes it to george washington. washington was not a college guy. webster was a yale man. madison was princeton, johndams harvard, washington was not a college guy. very impressed. that is a very interesting and gm. he is a great delegator, so he said that will give it to mr. madison. he gives it to madison and fletcher's pamphlet becomes instrumental in the drafting of the constitution. in 1787 webster is that the constitutional convention. seventeen -- at the constitutional convention. the first thing he does is not on webster