she took as her disciple a young stammering bumbling young guy from houston named vernon wayne howell under her tutelage. he revealed himself as being informed by heaven. he wasme king cyrus of the old testament. he had to takeest the name koreh because siegrist is pronounced koresh in hebrew. he was thes lamp of the book of revelation. he was going to lead his followers into the final epic fight with babylon. the end of days is not only coming soon, it's coming now and with wants to do. they were biblical literalists and whatever else we talked about today, this is what we must remember. they firmly believed, and the survivors today still believe this, that the god they believed in had told them through his prophet, david koresh, what they must do, and so they would do it, even if secular law said no. because gods law is the only true law whatever else we may think with all the things that happened, they sincerely devoutly believed they were doing the work of god. i really had to work to learn that and accept it before i could start writing about their perspective on things. and if y

vernon wayne howell was born to a 14-year-old girl. and, was raised with a lot of uncles and stepdad. but, he never wanted for food or attention. we can understand when people have problems how it might affect them. this does not mean we have to also believe it was inevitable they became what they became. peter: how many children of david koresh have survived and why so many? jeff: david koresh's children, most of them, died in the final fire. that was delivered on his part. all told, he fathered 23 children. by just about a dozen women. he said that the bible quoted that the lamb shall spread his seed. so, the lamb of revelation cannot be jesus, because he did not have children. so vernon, the lamb, had to have children. obviously, he could not have those with just one wife. and, these children of his were really old souls being born again and when the end times came, they would be the magistrates of the book of revelation. they would help rule over the new kingdom of god. three of his children were out of mount carmel by the time the

vernon wayne howell was born to a 14-year-old girl and was raised with a lot of uncles and stepdad's but never wanted for food or attention. we can understand when people have problems why they wouldn't understand but it was also inevitable that they became what they became. >> how many children of david's survived and why so many? >> david's children, most of them died in the final fire. that was deliberate on his part. all told, he fathered 23 children by just about a dozen women. he said that the bible quoted that the lamb shall spread his seed. so the lamb of revelation can't be jesus because he didn't have children so vernon the lamb had to have children. obviously he couldn't have those with just one wife and of the children of his were really old souls being born again and when the end times came, they would be the magistrates of the book of revelation to help rule over the new kingdom r of god. three of his children were out by the time the atf operation took place. two mothers had become disenchanted and left taking the children with him. during the siege itself he set out o