commissioner alioto veronese. >> commissioner veronese: thank you very much. commissioner hardeman reminded me of the fire in paris. that was an historical fire, something once in a lifetime we see, and i was wondering if they had needed or we had offered any resources to them or for that matter, if there's anything we can learn from that fire, and would it be worth sending somebody out there to study either the response, the fire itself, the type of building, anything related to that? i'm wondering since it was such an unusual fire, would it be good to send somebody from chief sotto's office. >> so church fires are notoriously difficult to fire, especially a church like that. there will be an after action report and investigation that comes out of that, and we always look at those things, whether it's from, you know, a fire in, you know, houston, texas or in north carolina or -- but we typically don't send people over there to -- during an investigation, but we do -- we always learn from incidents such as this, and we will -- once we get that report, once we

. >> thank you very much, commissioner alioto veronese. at this point, i'm going to be making some comments and questions, as well. is it possible that we could return to the slide, slide three, that shows the transamerica building in the background? also, john, i didn't catch your last name. >> jonathan shum. >> and you are the vice president of -- >> related california. >> thank you very much, mr. shum, and thank you for your presentation. i do really appreciate the comprehensive nature of your presentation. i appreciate the background reminders, the dates in terms of the supervisors original public land housing date of june 2015, ratified by the voters in k in 2015. i think it's really important for you to recite the resolution in 2017 and talk about the may 2018 resolution to take us to this particular point. because the context and gist of this whole proposal is important. as you can hear from commissioner covington, our real estate is on vacation, commissioner cleaveland, he would be asking many, many questions, but i think, again, y