was veryfor us, it no-nonsense. disadvantaged, unfortunate piece of luck. ju figure out what the game plan is to overcome it and you work to make that happen. he walks and runs and swims and cycles. that took a lot of work. wallowing in self-pity or anything like that. both of our parents were entrepreneurs. people sometimes ask us what inspired us to become much of earners. for us, it was the normal thing. i see it as a theme running through our upbringing in general. this no-nonsense way in which both he and our parents approach it, i find it inspiring. to keep perspective. the challenges of building a fast growing company. seeing the work that he has invested, over decades, -- >> what is your advice for aspiring entrepreneurs? or people who want to do it you do. >> the first thing is you don't have to be here. that is very different versus 10 or 15 years. it depends on the company you are building. we are serving other technology companies. it can almost certainly do wherever you are today. i would take advantage of the communities, tools, knowledge that