. >> vf corp urban outfitters, why those two?> yep they both really know their customers well, and they've been doing it for a really long time. fashion is so tough. and that's what we're really talking about here and both of these companies have shown that they know how to pick the fashions people want to wear time and time again. and they do it in a really great way because a lot of their, well, vf corp, of course, they're making the fashions. but a lot of the product that the urban outfitters retailer sells is its in-house brands and they do that well and their margins are a little bit better than other discretionary retailers in the same space. >> all right, kim, it's always good to check in with you. thanks for your time today >> thank you >>> meanwhile, the september jobs report is out tomorrow morning, the first one since the enhanced federal unemployment benefits ended a recent survey showed job announcements surging to the highest level in 17 years. with a surge in permanent job openings as well at what's typically a sea