what made vf corp. now unattractive to you? ediating brick and mortar, but also it's brands. vf has great brands, but we saw better the opportunities in the market. >> we started off talking about mastercard which is down. visa is also down. why do you see that as a secular growth story? >> think about the different ways you pay for things. you're using your cards, whether it's your apple pay or whether it's any other way that you're using your credit card or debit cards much more in every part of your life. right now 84 % of all transactions around the world are still done with cash and check. there's still a huge conversion opportunity for both those companies which is why it's a great secular growth story. >> you're concentrated. you're focussed on growth, but the market can have an impact on your portfolio. we have a fairly high multiple on the broader market. are you concerned about the broader market? >> i am. when you're trading at 17 times hoped for earnings, if you have any kind of a slip, it could be negative. looking