shares of vf corp. higher by about 4% today., often it can be. sometimes, not so much. >> tyler, you know, i'm going to go back to trend here and say, yeah, this is one to hold, possibly sell. i just don't think global apparel businesses have any competitive advantages, sustainable competitive advantages anymore. right? it's, everything is super cheap to make, nobody has a distribution advantage. really, i think to own a stock like this, i think you have to hope that they get lucky, and one of their brands comes up with something that catches fire, it becomes a new fad, and they sell more than expected. otherwise, you know, clothes, abarrel, once you've got some really premium brand that allows you to exact big premium prices, which vf corp. does not, i don't see a way that they can keep margins up. we think this business is in long-term decline. it's great for the ceo to step in and buy some shares. i don't know if that's window dressing or not. but i think the business itself and the stock price -- the business is in decline,

the last two stocks were vf corp, the troubled apparel play and dense play serona that happened in aprilth have continued to go lower since the initial announcement. meanwhile the index got kicked out of rallied more than 2% over the same period. vf's decline was worse than that for most of april before it started showing signs of life. the company reported yet another very bad quarter on may 22nd and the stock fell to a 52-week low of $11 the next day but then rebounded going into the close and since then, acted a little better climbing to $13 and change as it came in. i like the new ceo. this is a tall order even for say hercules. s that is with a 6% single day decline. let's go back further. on march 18th supermicrocomputer and deckers outdoor made room and dumped whirlpool. yes, whirlspoon and zion's bancorp which is another troubled regional bank. when you look at the performance since march 1st they are a mixed bag. whirlpool beset with a consumer that's less willing to shell out for big ticket items and stock fell more than 17% but zion's bank held out better, stock up more than 6