host: vicki shabo? guest: that is a fantastic question. i agree with you, it is a piece of the debate that is probably not talked about enough. the pay gap, the disparities that women are facing over a lifetime to hundreds of thousands -- adds up to hundreds of thousands of dollars. it means that women are more dependent on men, on social security, but because they are taking time out of the workforce, their benefits may not be as high. it is why we need policies that we know help to keep women stay connected to the workforce. we know when newmont's take paper leave, they are more likely to come back to work, earn higher wages over time, and come back to the same employer would save them and training costs. and it allows for women and men to save for retirement and be paying into the tax system, so we all have more to benefit. win-win. host: before we go back to calls, i want to give your chance, vicki shabo, to respond to the last point on immigration. guest: one of the critical things we need to do, if we are going to create more elderca