i'm your host vicky evans from the san francisco archdiocese. and we're having a fascinating conversation how the soul informs the body and how the doctor looks at the whole person when he treats someone. you were going to tell us the implications of using concrete examples. >> right. i would like to mention this is not -- it doesn't mean that we're practicing french medicine. it is the fruits of medical science to deal with illnesses. but the implication, when we're confronted with specific crisis, it's primarily it's important to recognize that there are frequently spiritual dimension to the illness. and i must say that everybody, including patients and physicians and myself as well, we're all conditioned by the practice of medicine that is primarily material. and so we all focus and think primarily in terms of the material and that is familiar with us right now. so my practice in many ways is not that different from the practice of another doctor. you'll continue to find medical treatments the way other doctors are applied. but the main diffe