in boston, paul fary from "the washington post" and in new york, vicky ward, contributing editor for "vanity fair." john burns, murdoch didn't say anything that particularly damaged him in that testimony, but he looked something of a detached ceo, did he not? >> he certainly did. it's one thing to say he only called the "news of the world" editor from time to time and asked him what's doing. it's another thing to say that five years into this building scandal, he just remained hands off. at some point or other, this shrewd, astute, tough guy you would have thought would have wanted to look into this more seriously or to tell his son who runs the british operations to look into it more seriously. the question arises, of course, did he just stay away because he didn't want his fingerprints on any of this? >> ha is a very good question. speaking of his son, paul farry, james murdoch who did much of the talking said he didn't know details of the evidence when he approved a $1.4 million settlement to one of the hacking victims who sued. two former executives came out and said no, no, no,

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. >> let me turn to you, vicky ward, a personal friend of the murdochs. we spoke to you yesterday. you movingly spoke about rupert murdoch. it's a difficult day. he started off saying it's a the most humble day of his life. >> and there was an e-mail from wendi, that she had slapped him. and i e-mailed back, go, girl, or go, wendi. he was very fragile, contrite at the beginning and started to get more resilient, more rambunctious toward the end. he came out strong about the telegraph. an important point here. two years ago, the british public seemed quite content to -- when the "daily telegraph" broke a very big story about the abuses on mps' expenses and obtained this information by paying for it, paying for stolen documents, what he was trying to point out, he created a culture there to expose the establishment. and clearly what we saw today was the beginning of a process which needs to draw a line between exposing and making a democracy transparent which is good, and tampering with the law and doing illegal things and describing police, which is clearly very, very bad. but it wa