this case well let's put this in context we have the rest of you are ashamed of the egress the victor boot and the rolling up of these unregistered russian government employees in the united states it looks like somebody in the in the bowels of the justice department and also maybe in the court system because the southern district of new york is notorious it's one of the places that the cia lycee used to hold kangaroo courts and addition the u.s. is record washington d.c. in the u.s. this records from virginia there the price cia courts to try these cases and i think we have to look at the impartiality and i don't think the impartiality is there all right investigative journalist wayne madsen joining us here thanks as always. well america's push for democracy in the arab world could see events spiral out of control as a radical islamic groups are lining up to fill the power vacuum and already correspondent palace their reports the ramifications for the u.s. as close as ally could be huge. these gunmen mean business and they're upping the stakes just that little bit higher because years the

the courthouse and you know this is interesting especially when we draw that parallel with the victor bootcase where media coverage has been a lot wider and people have been saying well you know this case is a lot quieter the mainstream media in the united states really does tend to catch onto nicknames and sort of louder pieces and that's what happened with victor boot dubbed the merchant of death he has been getting a lot more coverage on this man as you know as a as a man from a city that's a thousand kilometers away from moscow he has no nickname so you know why would the mainstream media care but speaking of the media we have to note that again the spouse of constant did speak to a couple of media outlets primarily russian ones outside the courthouse and take a listen to what her perception was off today's hearing very interesting take getting richer which the judge keeps laughing all the time i don't understand english and wasn't getting the translation so i don't really know why but he kept on laughing everyone in the u.s. is smiling all the time but you never know when they're actu

that's right as you pointed out in her story very good story in the case of russian businessman victor boot he was arrested in thailand in two thousand and eight and the u.s. was fighting fiercely fighting for his extradition russia was very much opposed to this saying that their citizen was arrested in a foreign land if there were any criminal violations any acts of criminality that were were administered by him it could be taken care of in russia and so after two years of back and forth lots of lots of charges and court hearings it turned out that victor boot was secretly transferred to u.s. authorities in what many call a clandestine operation and russian officials were kept in the dark for much of that transfer until it was too late until victory was in the hands of u.s. authorities and victor now remains in solitary confinement in the new york federal court and he is awaiting trial as well and it's there's some parallels in this situation because russia says again this was a bit of a violation they were not notified they didn't know what was happening with a citizen of their country an

on people who have really no it in both victor boot case selling even if you believe he was selling weapons to the colombian fark what does that have to do with the united states now that the federal government says well the weapons would be used to target american citizens that's that's kind of that's a giant leap. that cocaine was coming from the colombian fark and making its way through africa into western europe where is the connection to the united states and whatever happened to interpol in these matters why is it that the united states is trumping interpol there's many things about this case that are strange first of all we know that the irish apparently was offered a deal by federal prosecutors to if he would testify against victor boot they're actually in the same prison in new york the southern district of new york is notorious it's one of the places but the cia likes to use the kangaroo courts in addition to the u.s. it's record washington d.c. in the u.s. this records number ginia and the price cia courts to try these cases and i think we have to look at the impartiality and i d

case is being compared with that of another russian whisked away to the us from a third country victor bootinvestigative journalist wayne madsen says both cases highlight the america's ignorance of international regulations. the problem here is the extra territorial imposition of u.s. law. on people who have really no in both a victim bouquet selling even if you believe he was selling weapons to the colombian fark what does that have to do with the united states now that the federal government says well the those weapons would be used to target american citizens that's that's kind of that's a giant leap to that cocaine was coming from the colombian fark and making its way through africa into western europe well where's the connection to the united states and whatever happened to interpol in these matters why is it that the united states is trumping interpol there's many things about this case that are strange first of all we know that the irish apparently was offered a deal by federal prosecutors to if he would testify against victor boot they're actually in the same prison in new york the

strange story i don't think anyone would buy that here shimkus case is often compared to that of victor boot similarly snatched up by the u.s. in thailand and currently on trial in america for arms trafficking some see a tendency here if they can use interpol or they can use. picking up the phone to russia and trying to talk about this just going out and kidnapping people i think this is part of the carry over from the bush cheney administration the defense team has long legal but case of provocation and unsuccessfully called courts dismissal the prosecution meanwhile has been fighting to limit the scope of issues that can be addressed during the hearings they want to exclude questions regarding the legality of trying your show in a u.s. court related by lesions in the investigations leading up to his arrest and efficient conduct during and after the pilot's arrest and essentially all the mean arguments of the defense after almost ten months constantine your son calls trial days is finally here a jury is deciding his destiny if found guilty he will spend from ten years to a life sentence beh

soil many analysts have been saying that this particular case is very reminiscent of victor boots the man who was arrested in thailand and also scooped up and brought onto u.s. territory and of course in this in the scenario of the russian federation was very surprised because they weren't even informed of the arrest of your show for as much as a month which is really a breach of international law and the lawyers and the family have all been citing and saying that your son cole was not guilty at all and that the case against him has been a provocation take a listen to what the wife of constantine your son called told us earlier today. surrounded him as soon as he complained the guards were accompanying him and even in his sleep it was only during the few years you learn to disguise each and begin working with him and then she was introduced to the men drunks and that was. to send someone decent and him the prosecutor's office into pretty things the only way and this is the result of it. well you know christine it's also important to note that the lawyers have been seeing trying to get

that is basically but i don't think victor boot is there but most of them are. you would have to check with susan. but here is what i want to say. one of the reasons that we keep making these divisions like these are jihadi crimes and these are farc crimes and these are whatever kind of drug crimes is that there is a large portion of the database separate from the data i was giving you that our drug crimes or sometimes criminal conspiracy crimes that involve some of the same charges of terrorism and yes they are in there. what is even more interesting about this is that, this is just sort of a footnote, but in terms of bringing these trials in the united states, the drug enforcement, va crimes use a different method and i think you know this in terms of how they they get the forensics and it fundamentally changes the way these cases are argued in court. one of the most discouraging aspects of where we are right now 10 years later is the psyche of the american public. it was referred to in the first panel it could've easily could have easily been asked of them re

so i don't think victor boot is there, assad is, and most of them are. you'd have to check with susan. you've raised an interesting point. one the reasons we make the divisions, jihadi crimes, and these are farc crimes, there is a large database separate from the data that i was giving you are drug crimes, that involve some of the same charges of terrorism. yes, they are in there. what's even more interesting about this is that -- this is just sort of a footnote, but in terms of bringing these trials in the united states, the drug enforcementment -- the d.a. cris use a different method of getting information. i think you know this. in terms of who they have on the ground, how they get the forensics. it changes the way the cases were argued in court. we have been looking into how to broker the conversation to take some of the techniques that were used in the other cases that you were talking about particularly the drugs and use that understanding of the international, evidentiary environment to bring it over in a sense to terrorism cases. susan and i woul