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earlier, i spoke to victor gao, who is a former chinese diplomat and vice president of the centerfornks to the chinese communist party. i asked him if china is spying on the us using balloons. first of all, let's be honest. all major countries spy on each other, and i would not be surprised if every inch of land and water in china and in the united states has been fully mapped and checked by the other side. that sounds like an admission, mr gao. it sounds like you are admitting and acknowledging that the balloon of chinese origin was being used to spy on the us. absolutely not. a balloon is, for everyone to see, it is not very much used in espionage. a balloon is mostly used in weather observation, as the united states acknowledged that the shooting of the three objects after the first shooting were not chinese origin but were balloons for weather observation. i think this whole incident... yes, in the interest of fairness mr gao, washington never said those three objects were of chinese origin, they said they were investigating. i take your point that the investigations are continui

in beijing, victor gao, vice president of the center for china and globalization over in london, we have zeno leoni, who's a lecture in defense studies at kings college london. welcome to you all. thanks so much for your time with us. on inside story, xena leoni to you 1st, do you believe that this was an accident, a weather balloon thrown off course? is the chinese say, or was it deliberate a spy balloon, as the americans allege to the terminal? but the most important thing is that 1st of all, the chinese apologize for that. i'm not saying that this was a mistake, but also these balloon is biggest 3 boxes. and so it seems eventually more a photo be a clancy, a pen that's buying over the u. s. territory rather than a soco operational section. but anyway, i mean you, for the united states at this point the, the sewing bar to determine whether this is a press, these was enough, then spine over the u. s. they should do anything they can to bring it down and find out whether it was optional or no. in fact, it sounds like you're going to let it fly. you know the, the u. s. failure to eat for

my colleague karishma vaswani spoke to victor gao, a former chinese diplomat and vice president of thehina and globalization, a think tank with links to the chinese communist party. she asked him if china's spying on the us using balloons. first of all, let's be honest. all major countries spy on each other, and i would not be surprised if every inch of land and water in china and in the united states has been fully mapped and checked by the other side. talking about balloons... that sounds like an admission, mr gao. it sounds like you are admitting and acknowledging that the balloon of chinese origin was being used to spy on the us. absolutely not. a balloon is, for everyone to see, it is not very much used in espionage. a balloon is mostly used in weather observation, as the united states acknowledged that the shooting of the three objects after the first shooting were not chinese origin but were balloons for weather observation. i think this whole incident... yes, in the interests of fairness mr gao, washington never said those three objects were of chinese origin, they said they we

a 1st specialist, victor gao told my colleague, re sushi relations between the 2 countries. helping dealt a further blow by b, incident this shooting down of an innocent, humblest, as ship all the balloon of china by the u. s. military using one of its best. airplanes, for example, is an affront to china, is a damage to the china us, ah, understanding with each other and is all over reaction to what to a balloon wake up. therefore, i think it's absolutely legitimate for child that the refuse to have any paul call phone call or beating with the u. s. secretary of defense. so if a chinese balloon is an american ad space, or even just above it and america shoots it down, wouldn't this then give the right to china to shoot down any number of american assets that violate its air space nearly every single day? absolutely. i think for the recall the china has been condemn in the united states again and again and again, not just for days or weeks or months for years, for the flagrant violation of channels, sovereignty and territorial integrity for violating the one china policy, etc. so if charla

we're going to stay with this and that's bringing victor gao. he's vice president at the center for china and globalization. he joins us from basing. welcome to the program. so overall, then how critical do you think is this 12 point proposal from china? festival. what china has proposed is the only viable. ready framework for ending the war being ukraine. now, whether china does the media issue or another country does mediation, that's another issue. so let's separate these 2 things. whereas other countries are prolonging the war, you're praying, leading towards greater em all sufferings of the civilians in ukraine. what china is urging for russia and ukraine to do is to end the war, achieve a cities via and use diplomacy and negotiation to resolve whatever disputes there are between them and restore peace debility development for the ukrainian people. now of utmost importance is the number one that is being measured that is to respect the united nations charter to respect the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the you are members. for ex

you jovi most live now to victor gao, vice president of the senate for china and globalization on regular, on the program. victor, very good to have you on again. thank you very much for having me. that festival, i'd just like to get your take on these u. s. allegations that china's planning to send arms to bush. first of all, everyone in the world knows for sure that the united states is the biggest supply of weapons of all kinds equal to offensive weapons, long range missiles, for example, to the war. be great. as a matter of fact, the united states is currently the war ukraine fast into a proxy war by the united states and nato, using ukraine as a proxy of the states to achieve geopolitical goals of the united states and nato. as a hope for the chinese side, from the very beginning of the outbreak of the special literary operations of the war, great challenges be argued for peace and sci fi. and china is doing this to both ukraine as well as to a russia. on the other hand, allow me to emphasize that russia and china as to sol, relations, have complete discretion and sovereignty to deci