editor in chief and the founder of hong kong, free press, and independent publication in beijing of victor gow is a chair professor adds to child university. and in nottingham, in england, steve sang is the director of the china institute at so asked university of london welcome to the program dental, and thanks for being with us today. and stephen, i want to start with the process that's just taking place, an appointment rather than an election. it seems at this committee of electors, very much handpicked. do you feel like there's now really been a move away from even the attempted semblance of democracy? i think you are right in saying that what we have seen in hong kong is a change from the past of a pretense to your actions, to now it is election in quotation marks, chinese style. do you lessened subtly walked such as it was that took place in hong kong? really is no different from your actions under the communist party. victor, let me bring you in here because you yourself have been in the corridors of power and beijing. i understand what is china's strategy here? well, 1st of all, let's