. >> wertheim: hungarian prime minister victor orban certainly doesn't see himself as an autocrat.arized a term to describe his regime, "illiberal democracy." you heard that right: illiberal democracy. it's a system governed by a forceful ruler with a public that won't or can't fall out of step. the european union has deep concerns about hungary's membership. it recently voted to sanction the country, accusing orban of systematically rolling back democracy and it has leveled charges that read like a sort te constitution, restricting freedom of speech and stacking the courts. orban's policies, though, have been delivered not as brutally forceful blows, but as well- placed jabs: gradual, subtle, and, arguably, above the belt. orban and his manipulative maneuvers provoke outrage among opponents but also draw a measure of grudging respect. how do you describe viktor orban? >> donath: he's a genius in one hand. >> wertheim: genius? >> donath: he's a political strategist. >> wertheim: you take serious his power? >> donath: well, actually, you can feel it in your skin in everyday life in