bush visited hungary, victor orban was one of the emerging leaders of the push for democracy in that, george w. bush, would never have embraced that type of leadership of a country and the autocracy behind it. >> for them to go out of their way, sam stein, if you want to nail this down in less than a minute? >> sure. yeah, i think david hits the nail on the head that the animating principle on the right at this juncture, two things. one is that the election was stolen from donald trump. and if you are to argue otherwise, you are seriously at risk of losing your seat. and then the second thing is that, you know, there's a threat of anti-immigration. you know, you could call it right-wing nationalism, that basically says we need to stop migration into this country at all costs. those are the two things that bind the party together and they're the most prominent features at cpac this week. >> well, sam stein, david jolly, anita mcbride, thank you so much for wrapping up our week here today. we really appreciate it. happy weekend to all. that does it for this expanded edition of "andrea

when you look at someone like victor orban giving a keynote there, it just shows you the ways in whichhas shifted away, from what brendon was saying, someone like liz cheney who is a deep, deep conservative republican member to sort of far-right fringe, in some cases like victor orban, white national elements. >> and i want to talk to you about election deniers. brendon, kari lake now -- she's been an election denier from the beginning of this party, who she won her party's nomination is an election, the same kind of election process, "the new york times" pointing out this week that in arizona, michigan, pennsylvania, nevada, all republican nominees for secretary of state or governors or those who would appoint them, the secretaries of state, the election officials, all declaring that they would not have certified the 2020 election. what are we facing in 2024? what's your level of ksh about millions of american voters potentially being disenfranchised by these people in charge of key states? >> that's always been the scary concept to me. i've been much less concerned about the voting l

victor orban is doing everything for his people, she says, he loves his people.soft breezes off the danube, history flows through this city, the fast never far from the surface. and with a possible recession on the horizon the fear is the prime minister is looking for scapegoats, something this part of europe has seen in the past. john? >> ben wedeman looking at liberal democracy and the echos of history. thank you very much. >>> all right. more votes coming in overnight in several key primary races with election denialism on the ballot and some voters going for it. we're going to break down the latest numbers. >>> plus the jaw-dropping revelation at the alex jones trial that could have huge implications for the january 6th investigation. ttress firmness. the sleep number 360 smart bed senses your movements and automatically adjusts to keep you both comfortable. our smarart sleepers get 28 minutes more restfuful sleep per night. save $500 on thehe sleep numbr 360 c4 smart bed, queen now only $1299. lolowest price eve! lactaid is 100% real milk, just without the l

what victor orban did is use democracy to rig democracy in favor of himself. and ron desantis and republicans have learned from that, and they're openly copying and admiring that example and trying to bring it to the united states. you know, if you look at the movie "star wars" i think episode 3 where the emperor doesn't need to go in and overthrow the senate, they essentially give him had power to make him a dictator. i think ouk also draw on what's going on with the gop today. >> are you saying this is how democracy dies to thunderous applause. >> exactly. that's the seen where the emperor basically convinces or doesn't really have to convince a rigged senate to give him that power. that's basically the same play the gop would like, have elected officials, have people inside the building who will do the heist for you rather than bringing people in from the outside. i also think one of the things wisconsin kind of highlights is the role of organized labor in all of this. you know, wisconsin was a place where, you know, ron johnson, paul ryan, scott walker, re

cpac, which is now meeting in texas and where the keynote speaker was hungarian prime minister victor orban was welcomed with a standing ovation. "the washington post" described it as, quote, a trump rally with a hungarian accent. >> we have seen what kind of future the globalist ruling class has to offer, but we have a different future in mind. the globalists can all go to hell. i have come to texas. >> we've got lots to discuss. i want to bring in nbc capitol hill correspondent allie vitaly. betsy woodruff swan, an msnbc contributor. matthew dowd is founder of country over party and msnbc political analyst. allie, it will be a busy weekend on the hill. talk about what is in store for this massive reconciliation bill and what is a vote-orama anyway? >> it is a really good question, chris. when we get to that portion of the weekend, not only is it a fun thing for us to say when we are a little bit sleep deprived and slap happy but it is a sign we are close to the end of the process that the senate has to undertake to actually vote on this reconciliation package. but one of my key questions

he cited victor orban, he cited donald trump in his manifest oh. he had a local candidate. he went on a shooting spree. he shot six people of color. he shot against the headquarter of the democratic party. immediately after people start blaming immigrants. we are seeing now as we speak as we have elections all over europe, especially in italy in two months, viktor orban led to an attack in northern italy where a black man was killed. not only this, we've seen how putin and others, the fort in libya. we have seen a rising of migrants who arrive in italy. why? because he understands how to organize migration propaganda, oil, gas, food, grain and other things to dismantle democracy. he's aiding and abetting in it. the republican party is ripe and sort of over this. do you think -- i see it as the most organization in somebody like desantis who has a propaganda school that he's sending to teachers in the summer where they teach them jefferson post slavery and don't forget to remember what he made. they were prosecuting people and he's pushing a version of white replacement theo

and hungarian prime minister victor orban spoke yesterday, and he said something about wanting to preventurope from becoming -- these were his words -- becoming a mixed race continent. here's what he said last night. >> we have to be brave enough to address even the most sensitive questions -- migration, gender, and the clash of civilizations. don't worry a christian politician cannot be racist. if you separate civilization from the jude yo christian heritage things in history happen. let's be honest the most things in modern history were carried out by people who hated christianity. >> i mean, kyung, line byline you can go through that and scratch your head, be offended, wonder where the facts are to support any of statements, but i do wonder in the audience how is he received. >> reporter: very well. very, very well. this was a crowd that received him warmly. they applauded, and they got exactly the kind of rhetoric that they wanted. now, let's remind you of exactly who they heard from. viktor orban is the head of a country that's been making a steady incremental step toa thor tearyism

. >> and also victor orban is going to be there.aligned with vladimir putin and also questionable moves if you are interested in democracy. he is getting a lot of attention there, a lot of folks who are excited about his appearance. >> orban is not just an ally of putin's, he has a fan in donald trump. donald trump was president in 2019, hosted or banorban and praised him and endorsed his bid for a fourth term of hungary's prime minister. and just recently trump hosted orban at his bedminster new jersey golf club. and orban has become popular manage a lot of conservatives for that hard line immigration policy that he has pushed forward and some of the culture war rhetoric. but if you can believe it, orban might be even more controversial speaking here than donald trump. in fact just late last month, orban gave a speech in romania in which he engaged in what a lot of people considered racist and anti-immigrant rhetoric. he even seemed to make a joke about the holocaust. that caused one of his top aides to resign and she said that she

i want to ask you you have written interesting things about the rights of succession with victor orbann segment of the right, it's not the qanon crowd. they're smart people, some people are dear friends of mine, hungary which is this landlocked country of 10 million people is for them what cuba and sweden at the very left, imagine a glorious place where everything just works the way it's supposed to. and that's why we need to become more like them here. then you actually look at how hungary works and you think, not really. and orban knows -- there's something about him that pings the sweet tooth of the sort of intellectual authoritarian curious right in america. and cpac is basically an atm machine. >> i love the cuba parallel, the fascination on the far left once upon a time. but in all seriousness, orban just gave a speech in which the mask fell off and one of the top aides -- i want to play that and get your reaction. >> we are willing to mix with one another, but we do not want to become peoples of mixed race. >> so, that's kind of giving away part of the ghost there. again, one of

amy: so far, none of the prominent conservatives scheduled to share the stage with victor orbÁn at cpac remarks. that includes far-right tv personalities sean hannity and glenn beck, senator ted cruz, and congressmembers lauren boebert, matt gaetz, and jim jordan. to talk more about hungary and the american right's embrace of -- obsession with viktor orbÁn, we are joined by kim lane scheppele. she is a professor of sociology and international affairs at princeton university. she specializes in the rise and fall of constitutional government, focusing on hungary. we will talk about hungary and here right through to the insurrection, professor, but start with orbÁn's speech today and his significance. >> orbÁn's speech is one paragraph out of the speech that went on for an hour. it was not as prominent in the speech is e inteational press attention, but still, it was a shocker for hungarians because for the first time, he used language that had not been heard since the 1930's and 40's. he used a word that was the word that referred to jews at that time. it is no wonder you're getting this

. >> today, a room full of republicans caved hungary's authoritarian leader, victor orban, a standingd on the marriage or the relationship between parents and children. to sum up, the mother is a woman. the father is a man. and leave our kids alone. full stop, end of discussion. [applause] >> conservatives welcome viktor orban's racist, anti immigrant, and anti-lgbtq rhetoric with open arms at cpac in dallas, texas, where he kicked off a conservative conference giving a 30-minute speech titled, how we fight. orban has become a familiar face to conservatives, and fox news viewers, ever since tucker carlson traveled all the way to hungry to interview the hungarian prime minister and to help spread his ultranationalist views. orban speech at cpac comes nearly two weeks after saying, quote, this is why we have always fought, we are willing to mix with one another but we do not want to become peoples of mixed race. and that speech led one of orban's closest advisor's to write, -- pure nazi, adding, quote, i don't know how you didn't notice that your speech you delivered is a purely nazi di

when we look at who is on stage here, it's important for people to know who victor orban is. out. he's somebody that since retaking his office has used to control the legislature. going as far as to change a law to stay in power. he's antiimmigration, he's anti-dpai, what is it that people think he has to offer? >> in a lot of ways, the hungarian prime minister has been described as a trump of the eu. he's been embraced by far right conservatives for using a lot of the same language and rhetoric that they use. he talks about and uses anti-immigration policies, he's pro life, pro family, he talks about things like christian values, christian nationalist type values and national sovereignty. all things that have gained him a lot of fans from conservative stars here in the u.s. tucker karlson hosted his show from hungary last year and has remained in touch with him. he is often talked about on steve bannon's show on a lot of right wing podcasts and tv shows. and when he came here to the u.s. this week, his first stop was to the meet with former president trump, where he was join

orban. >> >> this is how we fight, a speech by prime minister of hungary victor or von -- orban. ♪ [applause>> thank you, everybody. it is great to be with you. it is fantastic to be here in texas, the lone star state of the great united states of america. if i am correct, lone star state means that independence, freedom and sovereignty are the dearest values into this part of america. if this is true, and it must be true as i look around, then we have something in common even in hungary, 500 -- 5000 miles from dallas. hungary is the lone star state of europe. [applause] the main difference between our countries is that unfortunately, the company is not paying corporate -- independence, freedom and sovereignty must be hungarians -- in the last hundred years. we vote for christianity in the middle and modern ages and the vote for christian democracy, and continue to fight to this day. we are a nation of 15 million and the hearts of europe with a unique language. someone once told me hungary was the official language and heaven because it takes an eternity to learn. just a slight exaggeration.

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back to victor orban, has cpac elaborated on why they invited him in the first place? guest: they have not. the founder of -- the leader of the american conservative union who is running cpac has a close relationship with the prime minister. they started the cpac hungary event. he is one of a number of other figures in the united states on the right who have cultivated this relationship with orban and his party. tucker carlsen being another person who thinks hungary is a model conservatives and americans -- in america can follow. host: they hold these conferences several times a year. what is the point? what would be the point? guest: in the last decade they have been holding them it has been an important gathering spots for conservative activists , people to meet some of these folks they spent day in and day out listening to, following on tv and social media. it is an opportunity for them to mingle with another -- with one another, to walk down radio road for these conservative media outlets they are listening to. it is a gathering planned. there is nothing quite like

that's what victor orban aligns with. that's the team that he's on, and so it has profound implications because it's not just tearing down democracy. it's tearing down the entire system that emanates from american democracy of rules and norms and international order. it's saying we're going to junk all of that system and we're going to go all of the way back to the preworld war days where you just had big ethno nationalist powers who duked it out and that's what we're seeing in ukraine and that's the actualization of that vision. we know where european blood and soil fascism leads. it leads to the subjugation of minorities with the country and the stakes are high and we have to defend -- to a global defense of democracy that is under assault right now. >> ben, thank you for that clarifying moment. i want to thank all of you for the clarification that you've brought to our conversation. ben rhodes, isaac onstaff and shermichael singleton. thank you very much for starting us off. >> when we come back, an update to the janua

but we can come together >> reporter: another trump ally, hun hungary's far right leader victor orban who attracted a following among some u.s. conservatives for his anti-immigrant rhetoric. during a recent speech in romania, he said he doesn't want hungary to become a mixed race country. all of it coming as democrats are celebrating and hoping to capitalize on momentum in the midterms around access to abortion after a stunner of a win for abortion rights advocates in kansas where voters chose to protect abortion access. president biden signing an executive order to try and make it easier for women seeking abortions to travel between states, applauding the kansas vote and what it could mean come november. >> the court practically dared women in this country to go to the ballot box and restore the right to choose. >> let's talk about the general election and the matchups in the fall and focus on races that usually flew under the radar, like secretary of state. >> reporter: this is so important, right these are the people who actually run the elections on the state level. oftentimes we'

you had victor -- viktor orban, but dick cheney came out this week with a portion of an ad he has thrown out for his daughter, liz, running for reelection in wyoming. >> in our nation's 246 year history, there has never been an individual who is a greater threat to our public than donald trump. he tried to steal the last election using lies and violence to keep himself in power after the voters had rejected him. he is a coward. a real man wouldn't lie to his supporters. judy: they don't come much more conservative than dick cheney. david: it is a very effective ad. people have seen it on the internet. liz cheney did what so many of her colleagues failed to do, which is stand up and tell the truth about what happened in the election. my concern is if the polls are anyway remotely close to what reality is, she is about to get clobbered. in one of the polls, she was down by 22%. an incumbent is not down 22% from a challenger. she is probably going to lose big time. when you read the papers, one of the beefs against her is not defensive donald trump. it is that she is not paying attention to

but in may, when cpac went to budapest to honor victor orban as their keynote speaker, i left the republicanecame an independent. i don't believe the election was stolen. i am a senior. i spend every night on the internet doing research. i believe what happened. president trump is ripping the gop apart. president reagan had what he called his 11th commandment. his 11th commandment was never speak ill of a fellow republican. and president reagan won in a landslide. he won 48 states out of 50. president trump is doing the opposite. with his rhino purges and his revenge rallies, disenfranchising any republican that does not agree with him or bow to his issues. those people, i believe, there are many articles showing where people voted down ballots for republicans but did not vote for president trump in 2022. host: thank you for your call. an update on president biden's condition. this was the headline from politico. president biden to end isolation after testing negative again. president joe biden will resume public engagement and presidential travel, the white house announced sunday morning. t

hungry led by victor orban had an unfortunate disposition toward vladimir putin. and turkey often has been a nato ally but doesn't act like one. he bought -- they bought a nato -- and air defense system. host: is it possible they could be excluded from the nato alliance going forward? guest: it has to be unanimous. the investors in brussels from those two countries have signed off on this. it seems that erdogan will get every last concession he can before his government potentially joints. host: what does he want? guest: he wants concessions and commitments related to what he views as kurdish terrorist groups. he's got an election coming in is looking at domestic public opinion and he is making the most of it. caller: this question has been bothering me for some time. we've been in this work for six months, why is it the ukrainians have a large population, why don't they have a million man army by now? why doesn't the whole country mobilize like we did in world war ii? we had a story in baltimore about how a young man was 17 years old and he was saved by the peopl

back to victor orban, has cpac elaborated on why they invited him in the first place?st: they have not. the founder of -- the leader of the american conservative union who is running cpac has a close relationship with the prime minister. they started the cpac hungary event. he is one of a number of other figures in the united states on the right who have cultivated this relationship with orban and his party. tucker carlsen being another person who thinks hungary is a model conservatives and americans -- in america can follow. host: they hold these conferences several times a year. what is the point? what would be the point? guest: in the last decade they have been holding them it has been an important gathering spots for conservative activists , people to meet some of these folks they spent day in and day out listening to, following on tv and social media. it is an opportunity for them to mingle with another -- with one another, to walk down radio road for these conservative media outlets they are listening to. it is a gathering planned. there is nothing quite like it

outline how maga trump supporters could derail democracy by emulating the prime minister of hungary, victor orbante the career bureaucracy. third, co-opt the armed forces. fourth, bring law enforcement to heel. even more intimidating to the president's opponents is securing full control at long last over the justice department, fifth, weaponize the pardon in trump's first term officials stood up to many of his illegal and unethical demands because they feared legal jeopardy. the president has a fix for that too. sixth, the final blow, defy order courts. and so after four years, america has crossed freedom house's line from free to partly free. the president's powers are determined by what will he can get away with. he's term-limited but the maga movement has entrenched itself. and trump has demonstrated in the united states what orban proved in hungary, the public will accept authoritarianism, provided it is of creeping variety. we should not be afraid to go against the spirit of the age and build anill-liberal political state system. orban declared in 2014, trump and his followers openly plan to

orban, some perceive it, some do not perceive it depends on eh. let's say this, political business circles , for example, according to my observations today, victorerts, with this pro-russian technology, yes, position eh reflects and even promotes the position of business circles in germany, well, and also other primarily business circles, in fact q european countries that want to keep current very profitable contracts, primarily energy contracts with russia, or return or return to business with russia as soon as possible because this is for they, well, apart from habit, apart from comfort, there is also a lot of money, in fact, just like for hungary, that is, here you agree with the answer of mrs. shimkevych, who said that there are a number of countries that would like to return to the restoration of business relations with the russian federation, despite all her actions absolutely and hungary does not hide it viktor roban does not hide it er and er he does not hide it for many reasons, it is necessary to understand that for viktor orbán such a position is not just some kind of geopolitical yes but also it is not only for you know him, his love