in 1937, at the time this picture--one of our witnesses is--is victor ruther, walter's brother, who talks... c-span: another photo in the--in the group to--in the book, too? >> guest: i have to go and s--i have to be--see what page you're on. this is a big book. i have to see what page you're on--196. c-span: yeah, he's the... >> guest: talks a little bit about--there's a wonderful story in here about--about how a woman faints in an auto plant on the west side of detroit, and victor ruther goes to her and says, 'do you think you could do the same thing again tomorrow?' he manages to get her to do the same thing again tomorrow, and that's how he effectively gets people out on strike and gets union membership up a--up again. c-span: another photo is a russian child weeping over a dead mother. i don't know if you remember this photo. it's on the screen now. >> guest: i do it very well and--i do remember it very well, and i--when i look back at this picture, as i do so often, it's a picture we've--it's a picture repeated so many times. it's just a very intimate picture. you know, seven millio