phone the group and explain that to them and tell them i am here with a conspiracy theorist named victor tucker and maybe you can explain i am in the car with tucker. and she said the big news is if you know you are being followed they are probably trying to intimidate you and the dangerous ones you would not know were following you. and i thought what if these people are just messing with me. we got back to our hotel and this is three hours into the day and we go back to the hotel and the woman from the pacific embassy telephoned me saying i spoke to the office at the hotel and they said no body is following you and how can they call off a man who doesn't exist. and i said he is behind the tree. and he was behind the tree stare starring at us. i imagined myself being chased for weeks but at some point it stopped and i wasn't being surveilled anymore. >> where do they get their names? >> from the first hotel where they met in 1954. that is to say the next day we went to the hotel and staid and watched the lim seens with david rockafellor, ceo's like heinz. i talked to two important members soon