the political construct of it and, you know, as recently as 2020 or 21, i quote president victor yoshika, who said, well, your credit is still a quality nation because it hasn't accomplish that. until it does, it will remain that. and there is no sense in fooling yourself. i sometimes hear from critics write me and say, oh this is naive or on the other hand, this is already. we're now beyond that because the war has united us war never unites, never, not unite for a very brief moment. and then as soon as that moment is over, everybody's out each other's throats again, unless they can focus on the issues that divided them in the 1st place. and that's why there will be no, there is no external solution to ukraine's problem in all resides within. and the, and the healing and peace, not just in your grain, but i think in europe as a whole will begin when ukraine healed itself. professor pantry, we have to leave it there, but it's been a fascinating conversation. thank you very much for that. thank you. my pleasure. thank you for watching hope to hear again on want to part with ah, who is the