here now to discuss, victoria defrancesco and brian darling, former aide to senator rand paul and seniornment studies at the conservative heritage found aegs and here with me in new york, peter emerson, who served in three democratic administrations. victoria, your thoughts on this new leader and what it means for the democrats. >> i think when i think of tom perez, i think of someone who is politically bicultural. yes, keith ellison was very entrenched into that progressive bernie wing of the party but tom perez in terms of the progressive movement. let's not forget he worked in the labor -- he was labor secretary. in addition to that, fought for voting rights. was in the justice department. so, he has a grounding in both of these roles. and my hope is that he is able to bring them together going forward. so, i think with tom perez, you have someone who can attach both wings. in addition, i have to mention that he is the first latino to hold this position and latinos, for a long time, felt that they haven't been brought to the democratic table fully and with a perez win this brings them

joining us now msnbc victoria defrancesco. and ryan williams, republican strategist. really great to have both you and we're short on time. victoria, as you've been watching 16 states, condemning the ban. some of them like washington which i just mentioned, taking legal action successfully. is this the playbook for the coming four years for those against this administration? >> it's the republican playbook and i know that playbook very well-being out here in texas where our governor who was then his job is every day to wake up and figure out how he's going to sue the government. so i think the roles have been reversed now where democrats are figuring out how can we use the tools at our disposal. the tools of federalism to block, to fight against what we see coming out of d.c. not being constitutional, not being right. i think this is going to be a playbook that continues throughout especially with the hub of those very blue democratic states. >> how has this resonated there in a state that we did not think would be preswing during this last election many immigrants in

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