this is not somebody shaped by vietnam or rwanda. what is shaping him is the notion of disastrous geopolitically and humanistic lee disastrous intervention in iraq. it makes them think many times over about getting involved in something like serial. >> sitting in the chair you sit in now was his former secretary of defense who for that same reason advice and not to go into libya. >> i know. secretary gates advised not to go to libya. and then advised him on syria as well. and, they had differences over osama bin laden. i find that memoir curious. you asked me what was interesting. i asked about the gates memoir. the president was unenthusiastic about answering in anything that resembled detail. >> why? >> i think any president is aware whatever they say about anything, about this glass of water, about football, about marijuana, it becomes a thing. if he responds point by point, it is nothing in it for him. what i got was a cloud of deflection. >> marijuana. what does he say about it? >> he said it's a matter of public record from his

this is not somebody shaped by vietnam, not somebody shaped by bosnia or kosovo or rwanda. what's really shaping him is the notion of disastrous geopolitically and humanistally disastrous intervention in iraq makes him think not once but twice but many, many times over about getting involved in something like syria. >> rose: we conclude with a look inside the navy seals with lieutenant commander rorke denver. his book is called "dam few: making the modern seal warrior." i think people want to be part of something bigger than themselves. i think they want to come neat a program that has a historic attrition rate of 80%. those types of odds, that sounds like the right odds to me. >> rose: so like two out every ten make it or two out of three. >> right. so it's just one of those elite brotherhoods and you feel like you get to participate and spend time with a very, very special group of folks and then focus on doing the nation's work at an intense level. >> rose: david remnick and rorke denver when we continue. captioning sponsored by rose communications captioning sponsored b