next, richard vision uri looks -- viguerie looks at the split in the republican party over the size of the government, an argument that has existed since the teddy roosevelt administration. this program is just under 45 minutes. [laughter] >> thank you, john, and thank heritage foundation and thank heritage foundation's president, jim demint, for this opportunity. senator demint was my choice and i knew that jim[ó was goino be president, i just didn't know he was going to be president of the heritage foundation. [laughter] and the heritage foundation, conservative movement, america is very fortunate to have jim demint as its president. >> i think it's been to our detriment, that's why i wrote the book, "takeover." the subtitle of the bill is $100-year war for the soul of the gop and how conservatives can finally win it. and i should say that, i jokingly refer to myself as 003. means i've been active at the national level, the conservative movement, longer than every living conservative except two others. 001 is the fist lady of the conservative -- fist lady of the conservative movemen