viguerie." mr. viguerie, what you do for living? >> guest: my mother went to her grave a few years ago that really understand what i i did. i was fortunate, back in 1960s, early 60s, the pioneer political direct mail. people had been raising money for a long time and they've been raising get money through the mails forno charities, churchest cetera. nobody has combined the two, politics and the mail. i did that in the early 60s for about 20 years i have no competitors and i went out there and helped the conservative movement. and i can make a case that without direct-mail the would be no conservative movement worthy of the name. when i did my pioneering work in the '60s, the left wasn't doing it and now they're doing a better job than the conservatives are trying what have you once been a conservative even knew growing up in texas? >> guest: i grew up right in pasadena, texas, outside of houston your kids in neighborhood played cops and robbers come we were 11, 12, 13. don't tell, i'm not shooting robbers, i'm shooting commies. i ha

that's what viguerie has been up to.onservative friends, editor for the heritage foundation, paul weyrich, howard phillips and many others that we used to get together at my home for breakfast every wednesday, ten years. don't worry if taking me 20 years to learn how to do this, it's going to take them 30 or more years. because i'm smarter than they are not so within five years. roger craver and others on the left had caught up with the conservatives and now they have far surpassed us. in my opinion i wouldn't dream of flying an airplane with a pilot who had the skills that the average conservative marketer they just most people have learned it by their gut feeling. you know none of us would go to a doctor who learned medicine gut, you know, a seat of his pants. so, you know, the liberals are basically have about 20,000 single issue organizations, conservatives, about 1500. they raised 700% more money than we do from 100% more donors. well, yeah, talk about them as third force organization is correct. correct. which are

viguerie." mr. viguerie, what you do for living? >> guest: my mother went to her grave a few years