joining us now, vikki ward who profiled epstein for vanity fair. cnn, the "washington post", other news outlets combing through 2,000 pages of newly unsealed documents. everything epstein tried to protect for decades was coming out. do you think he just couldn't live in that reality? >> you know, i don't think jeffrey epstein has ever lived in reality. i mean, i spoke today to steve hoffen berg who went to jail for basically committing the biggest ponzi scheme in american history prior to bernie mado the fff appear he alleged epstein was the master mind. but hoffen berg said something interesting. saying nothing about jeffrey makes sense, including his death. you know, i mean i think the reaction of people around is, yes, clearly, you know he was in circumstances very dissimilar laroue- completely the anti-thesis of miss mansion in new york, his island, his ranch in new mexico. but at the same time, you know, lawyers i spoke to were saying that they thought, you know, they were working hard on a defense. so it's a mystery. >> and we are learning in