viktor illensky, and i would like to see them both. oh, now i also see prila pielensky.st and important question is to both of them, and i hope you will explain it to me. i understand the emotional state of people, who are all fed up with the existence of the russian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate as some kind of fifth column , but on the other hand, i say to myself, i am not a lawyer or a religious expert, but i say that if the state declares loudly that our church is separated from the state, and then the state says: let's ban it or start a shorter procedure, is there no state intervention here which promised not to interfere but to separate the church from the state, and now the state, well, we separated it here, but we did not separate it here, so let's ban it now, or we will appeal to the constitutional court and so on, mr. kirill, you were the first to appear, the first please answer, thank you, although it seems to me that the first should be viktor yevhenovich, because he was a legislator in the past and he owns this material , or the time will come.

viktor illensky, please say a few words and we agree that uh, his rhetoric is evolving, albeit extremely slowly, and i want to say that you understand , we are waiting for pope but we don't expect from him any political considerations or some er advice and we don't even expect him to mediate in the er settlement of this war we expect from him what the world expects from a religious leader that i have wait for yours from a religious leader because religion is about uh, so-called final meanings, it's about good and evil, about the distinction between good and evil, and about who evil comes from, this is what ukrainians have been waiting for from the pope and i hope that we will wait, thank you very much, kirill archimandrid govorunov doctor of philosophical sciences viktor and lena, expert on religion, also doctor of philosophical sciences, people's deputy of the 8th convocation thank you for finding time for us and i will go on to answer the questions that i should have here, you see what ukraine is creating, everyone has some kind of story about the ukrainian genesis. at first, this and