. >> brown: well, viktor mayer-schonberger, we see this polling data right afterward that at least suggests a pa majority of americans are relatively comfortable with what's going on. how do you fit that into the kinds of concerns we're talking about? >> well, i think we don't know all the facts yet and i think the american public is just making up its mind right now. a significant portion may be comfortable now but as more information becomes available that might shift. the situation is still fluid and i've seen a survey that said that about 40% of the people in the united states uncomfortable. what really this points towards is that this is early days in what we need to have is a public debate about the pros and cons, as jules said, and that public debate could be the positive outcome of that n.s.a. situation. >> brown: just to stay with you for a moment, you've been looking at this for many years. are you sanguine, are you concerned? are you coming out on one side or the other? >> i am quite concerned but i'm not so much concerned about the civilians aspect than about how big data can be