on the other side as you also pointed out was viktor medvedchuk. he denied being in touch with anyone on the campaign. as you pointed out, mr. medvedchuk is close to mr. putin. mr. putin is the godfather of one of his daughters. >> in terms of his denial, he's an interesting character. he's obviously not a famous name in this country, but in terms of what we know he's a highly ranked politician. he was chief of staff to the ukrainen president for a while. he has visible ties to president and prime minister. he is denying he had contact with trump associates or trump campaign. do you believe that his denial is credible or does it seem clear to you that he does appear in these communications is he may have been involved in this somehow? >> i have to go with what he told us in an e-mail that he totally denied having any contacts. the only thing you can point out is that obviously he's ukranian and there were very senior people in the trump campaign including paul manafort who served as mr. trump's campaign manager for a period of time who have ties to