vin gupta, a pulmonologist, global health policy expert and assistant professor at the university of nbc medical contributor. dr. gupta, after a day like this when donald trump creates this public health mess in the briefing room, i just want to give you an open forum to choose the number-one thing you would like to correct from what donald trump had to say today. >> good evening, lawrence, and thank you for that opportunity. the number-one thing is that large portions of this country are not corona-free. i thought that was a deeply irresponsible comment from our commander in chief. 21 states are in so-called red zones. for your viewers out there, please go to covid act now.organinow now.oregon what you'll see is one in five individuals in arizona test positive. 95% of icu beds in florida, the data that we do have because they've been manipulating that data, 90% of icu beds are in full. in texas, 100%. this is not going away. what about schoolteachers and school districts struggling with reopening? we're not taking -- the president's not taking this seriously. people want point of car

vin gupta is back with us.ympathies go out to you, to everyone in the educational community there and certainly to the families. how shaken is the arizona educational community following the tragic death of kimberly chavez lopez byrd? >> first, thank you for your condolences. this news was devastating for our education community. unfortunately, here in arizona we are facing a severe spike in cases of covid-19. the risk of community spread is very high, and this has made it very difficult for all of us in the education community. and our hearts go out to her family. >> talk to me a little bit if you will, then, about the conversations that you're having with other staff, what they're telling you. what are the most pressing questions and concerns as the clock is ticking towards decision time? >> so here in arizona, our school year typically starts in late july, and most schools even start by early august at the latest. and so we were planning -- trying to get ready for this next academic year. we had a road map.

vin gupta. he's an e.r. doc specializing in exactly these types of illnesses.lso an affiliate assistant professor with the university of washington department of health metrics sciences. doctor, i was thinking about you today during this briefing. it is clear without being a shrink the president has decided this is an elderly issue. it would also match his narrative to declare it an elderly issue, though i have to say it was startling watching a press conference today with an another healthy 28-year-old woman who now has twin lung transplant thanks to a donor who she thanked today. doctor, in your experience, what's the truth about covid and young people? >> in my experience, brian -- and good evening -- covid's coming for us all. and the president trying to paint this narrative that children are somehow immune is dangerous because what it does is it loosens the guard. it creates -- it makes parents put their guard down when their guard should be up at a five-alarm fire right now, that they should be as vigilant as possible. leadership requires planning for con

vin gupta. r. vin gupta. to visit all the places we didn't know meant so much. but we're all going at our own speed. at enterprise, peace-of-mind starts with our complete clean pledge, curbside rentals and low-touch transactions. with so many vehicles of so many kinds, you can count on us to help you get everywhere you want to go... again. whenever you're ready, we're ready for you. enterprise. find your get-up-and-go. find pants that aren't sweats. find your friends. find your sense of wander. find the world is new, again. at chevy we'd like to take you there. now during the chevy open road sales event, get up to 15% of msrp cash back on select 2020 models. that's over fifty-seven hundred dollars cash back on this equinox. it's time to find new roads, again. (burke) at farmers, we know a thing or we've seen a thing or two. like how nice it is to save on your auto policy. but it's even nicer knowing that if this happens... ...or this happens... ...or this.... ...or this... ...or even this... ...we've seen and covered it. so, switch to farmers and you could save

vin gupta. he's an e.r. doc specializing in these kinds of illnesses, also an affiliate assistant professor with the university of washington department of health metrics sciences. good evening and welcome to you all. susan, i'd like to begin with you. your publication was in the news this week. as one does, peter navarro wrote a hit job on anthony fauci. it appears in your pages. there's since been an editor's note at "usa today" saying it should have been more rigorously fact-checked. but still we're reminded it's the thought that counts. it's really a white house-sponsored, one way of looking at it, war on information, science, and medicine. >> yes. and what "usa today" has said, the editorial page editor, is that there should have been a fact-checking article with it, which has now been posted to point out some of the things that mr. navarro said that are not factually true. what's valuable about this op-ed is it puts a senior aide to the president, someone close to the president, on the rec

vin gupta, pulmonologist at the university of washington medical center and an msnbc contributor. good to have you with us. will, arizona arizona, like som states across the south, seemed to have the virus under control while america was under stay-at-home orders. what happened? were the orders lifted too soon? was there not enough guidance given on how to reopen properly? what happened? >> yeah, well, good question. in a nutshell, as you mentioned, we had a very successful stay-at-home order, really flattened the curve, gave us important planning time. the critical control point for us was may 15 when the stay-at-home order ended and we came out with essentially the honor system. people, businesses, et cetera, were encouraged to follow cdc measures but there were no compliance expectations and no enforcement. as a result, by and large business behavior and also individual behavior became pre-pandemic again, resulting in what you see now, just record cases and we're in what's called crisis standards of care in our hospital systems, meaning it's pretty grim, a triage system that's

vin gupta. he's an e.r. doc specializing in these types of illnesses, also affiliate assistant professor over at the university of washington department of health metrics sciences. good evening and welcome to you all. anita, i'd like to begin with you. the president, when you look at this objectively, really had no choice but to cancel a mass gathering of thousands of people in a state that has become a coronavirus hot spot. how did they get him there to that decision today? >> well, you're exactly right. i mean he was seeing messages from really everywhere. you know, donors were apprehensive and worried and probably some of them were not giving money. you saw republican members of congress say they were going to not show up for the convention. so he saw all those worries, but really his advisers have been pushing him for days now, weeks really that he had to take the coronavirus more seriously, that he had to show that he was taking it more seriously. that's why you've seen him out there this week, doing th

vin gupta. he's an e.r. doctor specializing in all kinds of illnesses but also an affiliate assistant professor with the university of washington's department of health metric sciences and he's a pulmonologist. vin, i'm sort of fascinated because the president put out there that other places were ahead of this and as a result, they're doing better. but in fact when you look at the measurements when they're put out, and anybody can look at the graphs of seven-day rolling averages, you can adjust it for when we started and when our first case was and who was ahead of us. there's no metric that looks like america is doing better than anybody else except kind of maybe brazil. >> thanks, ali. i think the most important metric, ali, is what are the number of tests per confirmed case. that is the metric that we rarely talk about. the president never wants to talk about it for good reason because we don't perform well on that metric. we do 14 tests per confirmed case meaning we don't have to look very far. it's just

vin gupta. it's starting to happen every day. people are surprising themselves the moment realize they can du more with less asthma. thanks to dupixent, the add-on treatment for specific types of moderate-to-severe asthma. dupixent isn't for sudden breathing problems. it can improve lung function for better breathing in as little as 2 weeks and help prevent severe asthma attacks. it's not a steroid but can help reduce or eliminate oral steroids. dupixent can cause serious allergic reactions including anaphylaxis. get help right away if you have rash, shortness of breath, chest pain, tingling or numbness in your limbs. tell your doctor if you have a parasitic infection and don't change or stop your asthma treatments, including steroids, without talking to your doctor. du more with less asthma. talk to your doctor today about dupixent. if your financial situation has changed, we may be able to help. hold on one second... sure. okay... okay! safe drivers save 40%!!! guys! guys! check it out. safe drivers save 40%!!! safe drivers sav

vin gupta, thank you for being on the show this morning.etterman, thank you for your reporting. still ahead our next guest says abandonment of common sense during the coronavirus epidemic has damaged the u.s. and uk. >>> plus robert costa joins us with his reporting on how the never-trumpers went from being mocked to being a campaign force. >>> and should joe biden be more aggressive in states like texas and georgia? new reporting that some democrats are urging the biden campaign to seize the opportunity afforded by the president's dismal polling and go big. "morning joe" is coming right back. "morning joe" is coming ri back your mission: stand up to moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis. and take. it. on... ...with rinvoq. rinvoq a once-daily pill... ...can dramatically improve symptoms... rinvoq helps tame pain, stiffness, swelling. and for some... rinvoq can even significantly reduce ra fatigue. that's rinvoq relief. with ra, your overactive immune system attacks your joints. rinvoq regulates it to help stop the attack. rinvoq can lowe

vin gupta and dr.nna wen, through. >>> we encourage you to send your questions to talk @msnbc.cm calm. >>> two white house officials telling nbc news that president trump will hold another briefing around 5:00 today. it's unclear if he'll be alone this time. white house officials say they feel as though yesterday went well in terms of communicating the message on coronavirus that they want to convey. >>> coming up, the 55th day of protests in portland. the growing standoff in the city. wheel take you there as tensions flare between demonstrators and federal agents. did you know prilosec otc can stop frequent heartburn before it begins? heartburn happens when stomach acid refluxes into the esophagus. prilosec otc uses a unique delayed-release formula that helps it pass through the tough stomach acid. it then works to turn down acid production, blocking heartburn at the source. with just one pill a day, you get 24-hour heartburn protection. prilosec otc. one pill a day, 24 hours, zero heartburn. >>> the

even have that capacity and we can't let schools and colleges come back safely until we have it. >> vin gupta, thank you so much, dr. gupta, we appreciate your straight talk. >>> coming up next, breaking news. ghislaine maxwell, long-time confidant of accused sex trafficker jeffrey epstein, has been arrested by the fbi in new hampshire. she's charged, and facing charges in new york. we'll have that coming up next. stay with us on msnbc. life isn't a straight line. and sometimes, you can find yourself heading in a new direction. but when you're with fidelity, a partner who makes sure every step is clear, there's nothing to stop you from moving forward. a partner who makes sure every step is clear, every time you touch a surface, bacteria is left behind. now, consider how many times your family touches the surfaces in your home in 24 hours. try new microban 24. spray on hard surfaces to kill 99.9% of viruses and bacteria initially. once dry, it forms a bacteria shield that keeps killing bacteria for 24 hours, even after multiple touches. try new microban 24. available in multi-purpose, sanitizi

vin gupta.you very much for joining us once again tonight, doc. >>> coming up for us, in the thick of this pandemic, one country in europe decided to go its own way, to handle this differently without a lockdown. no problem, they thought, except now they've got a big problem. our report on the situation in sweden is coming up. >>> remember the bad old days in march as this pandemic started its gallop around the world. prior to our lockdown, we watched much of europe lock down. one major exception was sweden. they sought to avoid large-scale closures. they allowed restaurants to stay open. they chose to protect seniors while allowing others out and about. but now sweden is a big problem. in terms of its death rate and its economy, it's a red spot now on the map of europe. we get our report tonight from nbc news correspondent willem marx. >> reporter: in sweden's capital, cafes are open and restaurants unrestricted despite covid-19 because the government here never clamped down. but several months

vin gupta, an msnbc contributor. dr. gupta, a pleasure to have you on.rd the precautions of this one county, small compared to other sizes in this country. do you think more should be done what screening efforts should schools be making as they consider reopening or not? >> good morning, ayman. you know, the one big gap that i didn't hear was what are they doing when it comes to ventilation? air exchanges, opening up windows, this is the big issue here. distancing is helpful. masking is helpful. temperature checks not as helpful whether dn it comes to r individuals. we know younger individuals, 80% of the time, generally if you're less than 35, are asymptomatic with covid-19. let's not get too carried away with temperature checks as being anything but cosmetic when it comes to screening children. what i didn't love is the lack of understanding of what are they doing when it comes to s t ensuring there is proper ventilation in the classroom, densely populated with students and teachers. how do school districts in urban areas tackle that problem? >> you pr

vin gupta. doctor gupta, you among others were really concerned about this fourth of july holiday weekend and what we might see and the spread that might result from get-togethers. and there were images over the weekend of crowded beaches, images from here in new york of crowded parties. what are you -- there's the president in mt. rushmore holding events as well. what are you expecting or what's your reaction to what you saw? [ inaudible ] >> i think we're having some audio issues -- oh, there you are. will you restart your answer? we lost your audio up top there. >> sorry about that, katy. you know, unfortunately, we're distracted again. we're talking about -- we have to live with it, when we need our guard up. and so, katie, to answer your question directly, we need the governors of arizona, governor doocy, who has no icu capabilities right now, go to -- viewers should go to covidactnow go gov.. there are zero beds available. we're talking about the south dakota rally. we're talking about who

vin gupta. thank you very much for joining us once again tonight, doc. >>> coming up for us, in the thick of this pandemic, one country in europe decided to go its own way, to handle this differently without a lockdown. no problem, they thought, except now they've got a big problem. our report on the situation in sweden is coming up. ng up. to severe psoriasis, little things can become your big moment. that's why there's otezla. otezla is not a cream. it's a pill that treats plaque psoriasis differently. with otezla, 75% clearer skin is achievable. don't use if you're allergic to otezla. it may cause severe diarrhea, nausea or vomiting. otezla is associated with an increased risk of depression. tell your doctor if you have a history of depression or suicidal thoughts or if these feelings develop. some people taking otezla reported weight loss. your doctor should monitor your weight and may stop treatment. upper respiratory tract infection and headache may occur. tell your doctor about your medic

vin gupta gets tonight's last word. "the 11th hour" with brian williams starts now. >>> and good evening once again. day 1,286 of the trump administration, leaving 98 days until the presidential election. well, it took just over a week, but the president has managed to fully revive the mood and feeling of those previous coronavirus briefings. today sounded more like early to mid-pandemic trump, declaring much of the country looks pretty good to him and recommending we take hydroxychloroquine. he also lamented dr. fauci's popularity compared to his. all of this as americans remain unwelcome, barred from traveling in most of the world. all of this on the day the u.s. death toll surpassed 150,000. the state of florida in particular, in fact, set a one-day record of nearly 200 deaths. at the podium today, the president was defending a doctor in a video he re-tweeted. she claims to have the cure for the coronavirus and says masks are unnecessary. >> the -- the recommendations of many of the people including doctors, many doc

vin gupta, thank you. >>> coming up, dr. fauci visits the white house amid the trump administration's efforts to discredit him. >>> plus, court date. prosecutors want jeffrey epstein's alleged accomplice ghislaine maxwell to remain behind bars. she'll appear in court via video in less than an hour and we'll be finding out what the court decides. stay with us. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. a mitchell reports" on msnbc. - [narrator] the shark vacmop combines powerful suction with spray mopping to lock away debris and absorb wet messes, all in one disposable pad. just vacuum, spray mop, and toss. the shark vacmop, a complete clean all in one pad. >>> we did not shut down entirely. that's the reason. we went up, started to go down, and then plateaued at a level that was quite high, 20,000 infections a day. then as we started to reopen, we're seeing the surges that we're seeing today as we speak. >> dr. anthony fauci speaking in a stanford medical school live stream, hours before returning to the white house

vin gupta says it will take strong leadership to turn things around. >> that means that those states are in a very tenuous position. where hospital overload is likely. if strong leadership and strong policies are not realized soon. that basically means we need to consider moving away from just mandating masks. and a lot of the states haven't even mandated mask, like tennessee, for example, like georgia. we need to move away from mandating to enforcement. >> dr. gupta is also of the opinion the states should consider keeping schools closed in the fall, much like california is doing. >>> and speaking of distance learning, state superintendent tony thurman today says money is on the way to help. more than $5 billion has now been made available to schools. the money is aimed to help address learning gaps and make distance learning more effective. one ucsf professor told us tonight that when kids do return to the classroom, the youngest student should return first. >> based on both our understanding of how their bodies work, the younger kids tend to not get covid as frequently. and when t

vin gupta, global health policy expert and msnbc medical contributor is here.s associated press white house reporter, jonathan lamir is back, and msnbc and cnbc, my friend john heilemann is here. john, on any and all of it, i really felt and i haven't said this out loud yet, so i'm curious and anxious to hear what you think, that having lived through the couric interviews of sarah palin, that what was so disastrous was that couric revealed her i think what wallace did was reveal the ignorance of the man who is currently our president, the indifference to the human suffering, and the fealty to manufacture data that has no basis in reality >> right yeah, and nicole, it's funny that you mention sarah cooper, because i know you're an addict of sarah cooper, millions of people are but what's the sarah cooper brilliance the sarah cooper brilliance is to some extent is when you take the face away and you take the trappings of the office away, you're left with just the words, right? i mean, she's a brilliant comic, but part of why it's powerful is that you get to hear

vin gupta, up early again with us this morning on the west coast to guide us through this. we appreciate it. thanks so much. as the virus rages across the country, as you heard, president trump is digging in on his campaign of racial resentment. after railing against the movements for social justice in two speeches over the fourth of july weekend yesterday he amplified that in two tweets asking when bubba wallace would apologize for the noose found in his garage, suggesting nascar made a bad decision banning the confederate flag. he referred to the coronavirus as the china virus. suggested the increase in crime in new york and chicago are due to the citis' immigrants. and accused sports teams of rethinking names of giving into political correctness. robert costa posted this, many are eager to turn to biden and china, very little appetite for the continued focus on race but the president insists on driving his own message the adviser says. now more specifically on the president's tweet asking if nascar driver bubba wallace has apologized to those who stood by his side after

vin gupta explains why the results may not be as promising as advertised -- >> let's hope they are. >> -- you're watching "morning joe." >> i'll be curious to see what he says about it we've have some good vaccine news. >> we'll be right back ♪ ♪ ♪ the open road is open again. and wherever you're headed, choice hotels is there. book direct at choicehotels.com. ♪ don't just think about where you're headed this summer. think about how you'll get there. and now that you can lease or buy a new lincoln remotely or in person... discovering that feeling has never been more effortless. the lincoln summer invitation sales event is here. brushing only reaches 25% of your mouth. listerine® cleans virtually 100%. helping to prevent gum disease and bad breath. never settle for 25%. always go for 100. bring out the bold™ we're helping members catch up by spreading any missed usaa insurance payments over the next twelve months so they can keep more cash in your pockets for when it matters most find out more at usaa.com >>> all right. we want to give you a snapshot of where the country is with the co

vin gupta, thank you both.n donald trump talks about we have to open the schools, the democrats don't want to open the schools. no, everyone wants the schools open. and had you done it right, the schools would be opening. and right now our children are going to be stuck learning online or having to make a decision to stay away from their friends in school and learning 40% less. this could have been completely avoided. let's look at the legal aspect of this, dave aaronberg joins us now. how exactly are mask mandates enforced and what are the specific legal mechanisms involved? >> at the state and local level a violation of an emergency order is a second degree misdemeanor, punishable by 60 days in county jail, all states have some version of this, so it's not whether governments have the power to implement it, it's whether they have the political courage to do so. that's why i applaud their op-ed because at the state level governor desantis will not do so unless the president tells him to do so. we have 67 count

vin gupta with us, as we know it in seattle, u-dub. good to see you both. >> good to see you. a lot of stories combining tonight. your thoughts? >> look. when donald trump was elected, i was bereft. i was inconsoleable. never in my wildest nightmare could i imagine that america would become a global pariah that our ordinary lives would grind to a halt because of the raging incompetence of this administration, because of its continuing failure. unlike any other developed nation in the world to address the seriousness of what has befallen us. at this point, donald trump likes to call this the wuhan virus. this is now the american virus. most other countries in the world have this under control and the president's approach is basically, actually, i think nbc has a story, the official approach is learn to live with it. so we see it. new york went through weeks and weeks of trauma. businesses locked down, seeing people's ordinary lives ground to a halt to try to quash this thing. because of this president, it is now on fire all over the country. and there is no leadership to stop i

vin gupta. welcome to you. with these infection rates which continue to spike around this country, you know that we've set another single day high of more than 57,000 new cases yesterday. you have several states setting their own record highs. are you concerned that holiday gatherings among friends and family this weekend are going to make covid case numbers rise? >> good morning, alex. you bet. absolutely. so what we're seeing here is a replay of memorial day but even with worse messaging and having this unhealthy distorted almost deranged conception of freedom manifesting itself out as we're going to ignore what any public health official says when it comes to masking or social distancing and having the president convene this rally in south dakota that enables what you saw with vaughn and prescott. enables all these terrible scenes to play out and this reality that monica mentioned, we're going to live with it and we're going to acknowledge the kronwall reality that the white house is going to message on. i'v

vin gupta, thank you very much. e, chuck, over to you. >>> and i do have more questions for dr. gupta, but the good news is i will be able to ask them in a couple of hours. >>> a federal judge extended the deadline for the release of migrant children. does this development mean we are more likely to see what some experts have called family separation 2.0. >>> and a new update in the ahmaud arbery case from georgia. you're watching msnbc. and we always will. ♪ ♪ for people. ♪ ♪ for the future. ♪ ♪ and there has never been a summer when it's mattered more. wherever you go, summer safely. get zero percent apr financing for up to five years on select models and exclusive lease offers. shooting death of ahmaud arbery appeared remotely in court today. travis mcmichael, his father gregory, and william roddy were indicted by a grand jury last month on nine charges stemming from the february shooting. all three men pled not guilty. the judge conceded it was unclear when a date would be set for the trial. katy, in this pandemi

vin gupta specializes in health metrics at the university of washington. he's also an nbc medical contributor. doctor, so good to see you again. let's get a reality check. we're heading into the fourth of july weekend. we know we're not in the shutdown phase. practically speaking, we know people are not just going to stay at home and quarantine or isolate. what do we need to do to protect ourselves? >> stephanie, good to see you. a lot of -- i loved what mayor demings said. that's an example of great leadership. leadership rooted in reality. a lot of the things the reporters that you've already spoken to have mentioned, we need people to understand the importance of sheltering in place and essential travel only. frankly, i love what governor murphy and mayor bill de blasio have done when it comes to walking back opening of indoor dining. stephanie, what we have seen in the last few months is that study after study after china, for example, suggesting that indoor dining, especially in air conditioned settings, can increase transmission of covid-19, 19 times

vin gupta, a pulmonologist, dr. lipi roy, an internal medicine physician.is the first question from jan. it's about masks. jan asks front line health workers wear n95 face masks to protect themselves from covid-19. cloth face masks and most other face masks do not protect their wearers from aerosolized coronavirus. when will the general public be able to buy n95 masks to protect themselves. dr. gupta, i'll start with you. what do you think? >> that's a good question. good morning, craig. aerosolized coronavirus, if that exists, what is an aerosol coronavirus? it's basically a small drop let. small drop lets from coronavirus versus large droplets from coronavirus, what's the difference? we think cloth masks that you can purchase right now will protect you from those large droplets, the ones that if you're within six feet of coughing with someone with covid-19. the aerosolized coronavirus, less than five microns. much smaller than an milliliter. we think those get expectorated, it's rare those get produced when you're out in the grocery store. is it possible?

vin gupta, thank you for the time. >>> coming up, enhanced unemployment benefits, but there is no guarantee on a health bill. >>> jacksonville, florida no longer hosting the national republican convention which the mayor says leans democratic in the presidential race. (vo) the time is coming for us to get out and go again. to visit all the places we didn't know meant so much. but we're all going at our own speed. at enterprise, peace-of-mind starts with our complete clean pledge, curbside rentals and low-touch transactions. with so many vehicles of so many kinds, you can count on us to help you get everywhere you want to go... again. whenever you're ready, we're ready for you. enterprise. we live in the mountains so i like to walk. i'm really busy in my life; i'm always doing something. i'm not a person that's going to sit too long. in the morning, i wake up and the first thing i do is go to my art studio. a couple came up and handed me a brochure on prevagen. i've been taking prevagen for about four years. i feel a little bit brighter and my mind just feels sharper. i would recommend it to

vin gupta of the university of washington medical center. he is also an msnbc medical contributor.nd an msnbc contributor. i want you to listen to what steve mnuchin said earlier today about these negotiations on capitol hill. >> we're not going to use taxpayer money to pay people more to stay home. so we're going transition to a ui system that is based on wage replacement. we've talked about approximately 70% wage replacement, and we're just going through the mechanics of that. >> sahil, how likely are democrats to go along with that? >> well, it would mean a lot of people get less in unemployment payments than they are getting now. and the reality is this is a division among republicans. they have not decided whether to do a 70% wage replacement, which would be the administration's position, or to go with what some other republicans are suggesting is to keep it flat. they want to lower to 600. i spoke to some republicans like senator lindsey graham who want it to be flat because they argue it's far more complicated for states to set up system where you have to look at everyone's

vin gupta, thank you for joining us and giving us the facts. appreciate your time as always. >>> from there on to seattle, where police in seattle began the operation to clear out the area known as c.h.o.p., the capitol hill occupied protest zone. the operation began earlier this morning. police say they have arrested at least 23 individuals. for more on this developing story, we'll cross over to nbc news correspondent steve patterson who will has been there on the ground since this operation got under way. steve, when we spoke earlier in the morning, it seemed like it was a tense situation. how has it been playing out since? >> reporter: remains tense, as you might imagine. protesters, though, on the outside, the outer perimeter, along the police line, trying to find a way to see what's happening inside. that's where we are, police have granted us access to show you the dismantle. and it's incredible. take a look at this. i mean, you're talking about protesters holding a police precinct in a major american city for nearly a month. and this is

vin gupta. he's the a medical contributor and global health policy expert here at nbc news. jonathan, we were too rushed yesterday so you're back by popular demand. take me through the reporting. >> nicolle, basically what we got was documents from inside folks working on the coronavirus task force at the health and human services department and the fema and what it shows how often the federal government's been able to fulfill orders from the states and local governments for various types of personal protective equipment for gloves, for masks and even body bags and in addition to that, the stockpile, it sthoes very often the federal government hasn't been able to fulfill those requests. 30% of theeqr gloves. and then we you look at what's in the stock pile, only 900,000 gloves and right now, the demands for those gloves is huge. the federal government's ordered another 4.5 billion of those gloves, to give you an idea of the demand is out there. right now the states are struggling. quarter of states don't have more than a 30-day supply. what we're hearing from nursing homes,

vin gupta, and ron klain, ebola response coordinator, now an adviser to joe biden.h you. it has been pointed out to me by sam stein, who's also covering the president, the administration's moves, to tie funding and threats to cut funding to reopening in the fall, regardless of where the pandemic stands and where the surges and spikes are come september. where's this coming from? it was sam's theory and he was still reporting this out that it was tied solely to his burning desire and dependence on the economy churning back up ahead of his campaign intensifying in the fall. >> you know, nicole. there could be a couple of factors at play here. certainly, the economy is driving the president's push to reopen the schools. and it's for a very simple reason. you can't reopen the economy. you can't have people go back to work if they have nowhere to send their children during the day while they're trying to work. so if the schools are going to be closed in the fall, it becomes then very difficult for economies to get fully back up and running. but there's also a political c

vin gupta, global health policy expert and msnbc medical contributor is back, plus associated press whiteeporter, jonathan lamir is here, and former democratic senator, our friend, claire mccaskill is back. jonathan lamir, i want to start with you. the two covid breaking news headlines today both intersect your life and interests. the most senior national security adviser to this president, robert o'brien, has tested positive for covid. when i worked in a normal white house, there was no one who had more occasion to be in the oval office more than the president's national security advisers, first condi rice and stephen hadley. i do not know if that's the case in this white house. you can tell me. and second, in an organization that has almost unlimited funds, almost unlimited access to quick tests, a major league baseball team, the florida marlins, having to stop games just four days after the baseball season started. how does the white house suggest we throw open all the country's schools? >> yeah, the events of today, nicole, show that the virus can reach anywhere. it can reach into the

vin vi gupta is urging gupta is urging caution. >> there's hopefully a vaccine that will promote someu're evaluating these kind of vaccines is how long will the immunity last. what do we know now? >> reporter: and the answer is we simply don't know there is some suggestion that we know we may need more than one dose we may need not only one shot but another shot because the immunity may only last a few weeks or a few months. a couple of doses and then a booster shot depending on the vaccine. but this is important. one vaccine may not work for you and me and craig and everybody else in other words you may need one for people who have particular predispositions, shall we say, other people based on their age. other people based on health concerns you may have multiple vaccines depending on who you are and what your condition is >> complicated all right. tom costello, thank you. so many things to consider >> so complex. never in the history has it ever been done -- attempted to be done so fast >> yeah. >> we're going to do it. it's going to happen >>> what about janice huff good time? >>

vin gupta. dr. gupta, good morning. me would you give me your top three concerns when it comes to the school systems opening up this fall. >> good morning, hoda, you bet it's a critical question you know, what we know here is that testing needs to be the backbone of any return to school strategy it's critical. testing is critical. point of care testing. so the type of testing where an elementary school student goesi. if we can get that online by late fall, e into the student clinic, they get a swab into their nose and get a result in 30 minutes we don't have that testing right now, hoda. it costs a lot of money. if we can get that online by late fall, early winter, we might have that testing in principal and having discussions in seattle here place. that would be great but it costs a lot of money number two, number two is space. there's just a dire lack of space. if i'm a school district principal and having discussions in seattle here with some of the school district folks here, there's just not enough space to sociall