vin gupta, last word will go to you. here is the question. what does europe seem to know that we don't? i am seeing all kinds of graduated shutdowns going on. a friend of mine this week called the travel agent, the travel agent said, do not make plans to leave the united states unless you must for business. i can't guarantee i'll get you out of whatever country you're going to, or get you back in here. depending on what omicron does. >> brian, i think it's risk tolerant. we have accepted that without the threat of shutdowns, or measures like 2020, we are going to lose about 22,000 americans week by week, until march. europe has made a different calculation. shutdowns, for example, are going to mitigate their additional loss of life. it's a simple as that. i will quickly say, since i know we're limited on time here. for all your viewers, i get this question often, i am immunocompromised, i am vaccinated, but i still feel like the vaccines may not have been fully effective within me. now, today, the fda, there was much pressed on this actually

vin gupta, critical care pulmonologist in seattle, he has advised us on the pandemic since its early . he is also on the faculty of the university of washington institute for health metrics and evaluation. vin, good to see you, as always, my friend. these increased hospitalizations, which we were seeing prior to the onset of omikron, are these mostly delta hospitalizations? or omicron hospitalizations? or do we know? >> ali, great to see you. the answer is, we don't know. of all the tests that ultimately get sent to an advanced lab, it is sequenced, genetically sequenced and most are coming back omicron positive. i think it is fair to say that it has been important, just to emphasize this to your viewers out there, that these vaccines are doing exactly what they should. vaccines against a contagious respiratory virus never were meant to prevent a positive test for mild symptoms. they were only meant to keep us out of the hospital. so the reason why we say, please get the flu shot, flu is approaching pre-pandemic levels, the flu vaccine keeps you out of the hospital. what we are seeing

vin gupta. he is a physician in seattle. i have to tell you, i was reading through your notes. which is when you said, for the unvaccinated, this new variant will suck. elaborate. >> good evening. stephanie, if we can, i think your team actually has a diagram of a long. okay. there's the upper respiratory tract, and a lower respiratory tract. let's talk about if you are fully vaccinated, for the definition today, for that schematic there. your nose has some antibodies in it. in the lining of the nostrils. of your throat. leading down to the lungs, there is a lot more antibodies. there is something called t cells. there is a lot more immune fighting cells that protect against infection. but we are noticing with people who have two doses of the vaccine. yes, they might test positive. our defenses in the nose are not as strong and robust as they are in the long's. you might test positive, you might have a sore throat. by the time that virus travels down to the long's, in terms of creating infection and pneumonia there is just s

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vin gupta, good news today from pfizer. i assume you applauded it upon hearing it, but also early indications that all of news the vaccinated community may be headed for a fourth shot at some point here shortly. >> good evening, brian. you know, i am worried that we are losing the pot entirely on what success looks like and are overly focusing on these reports, these press releases on antibodies, lab-based studies, not what's actually happening inside the bodies of people which is these vaccines, two vaccines, certainly three are keeping people away from hospitals, away from folks like me and my colleagues. our immune system is more complicated than just antibodies. it works to prevent severe illness. losing that plot, brian, is the difference between psychologically immersion from this pandemic and staying mired in it. no vaccine, i say this as a pulmonologist, against a contagious respiratory virus has ever currently in terms of the vaccines that exist with covid-19 or will ever exist, no vaccine against a contagious resp

vin gupta. but there is a bigger question here that i wanted to explore tonight. how do we make sense of all the news aboutal this variant witho actually being alarmist or perhaps worse, complacent? you know, for a case study on how not to handle the situation, let's take a look at how public health experts handled the early days of the pandemic in 2020, particularly around the area of masking. now, if you've got an anti-vaxx friend, which i'm sure some of you do, you've likely heard from them overhe the past two years, you know, from dr. fauci and others talking about, you know, masks and how they once said we didn'tid need to be wearing mas. now, at the time there were concerns about ppe shortages. and there not being enough ppe for firstg responders. but that's not what they said at first. in e-mails from 2020 fauci said masks were not likely to be effective and surgeon general jerome adams at the time said mats kz could increase the risk of catching covid. the guidance has been updated. it's

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vin gupta, as well as nbc correspondent lindsey reiser. i saw an extremely long line this morning, testing site after testing site. it looks like the early days of the pandemic. what's happening in new york? >> it's shocking to see, katy. you mentioned in miami, car after car, as far as the eye can see. look at this, person after person on line on 57th street in midtown manhattan. as far as the eye can see. this is in midtown. people have been waiting in this line since before 6:00 a.m. not the people currently here, the line is 2, 2 1/2 hours long, but people were here well before the sun came up, before this place opened. if they're traveling internationally, they have to have proof of a negative covid test. some of them know somebody who tested positive so they want to test themselves. one of the people i talked to was symptomatic. the issues vary, but we talk about this still being an issue at this point in the pandemic, medical experts i talked to are wondering why we haven't learned from surge after surge. most of the people i talked

vin gupta, pulmonologist. cases are up in the northeast. how much of a jump are we talking about?ell, steph, in new york, covid cases overall are up by about 58% seasons thanksgiving. in new jersey, they're seeing hospitalizations up by about 25%, and in both states, officials are detecting omicron at rates much higher than they are nationally, and so that suggests there is serious transmission happening in this region, and all of this is also happening at an inconvenient moment in which there is extreme fatigue and frustration with the pandemic and with protocols around new york really. i'm in nassau county, the incoming county executive here says that he is not planning to enforce the governor's new mask or vax mandate and several executives have joined him in that. their public health departments are stretched thin focused on vaccination, and they feel the messaging right now as we head into another winter surge is starting to get confusing for their residents on the ground. take a listen to my conversation with ed day, he's concerned about trying to focus on vaccinations but a

vin gupta, critical care pulmonologist. what is mayor de blasio doing about the long testing lines and the delays in getting results back? >> reporter: yeah, andrea, we are seeing a lot of covid testing points throughout the city. and just a short time ago, we heard from the mayor himself, he acknowledged that they are having some issues getting these tests, but he said this week they are expanding testing sites. also providing more at-home tests, and he also said that they are sending out supervisors to private vendors to basically offer quality control. andrea, they could use all the help they can get here in new york city because many people we spoke with over the weekend saying that they're waiting hours in line just to get a test. take a listen to this. >> i'm the last patient as you can see. i think they have an overload. that's why they shut at 9:00 in the morning. >> you went to three different clinics in the past hour, and what did you see? >> about 30, 40 people standing in line in the cold, and i'm like no. so i

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vin gupta, we appreciate last-minute advice >>> for more on the economic impacten this change, the formeral assistant to the president during the trump presidency joe, we'll have you back on another time to talk about inflation. >> sure. >> and antitrust because on this, i would think it would be somewhat helpful, stimulative for companies to get workers back at work at a time when they really need to >> that's right, we have a 4.2% unemployment rate, roughly 2.5 million more job openings than people to fill them. so anything that gets the economy moving back in a safe way, the cdc says five days, that's great it means people can get back to bisusiness quicker. it's a supply side story i think it's great news. >> joe, i know that you have a slightly more bearish outlook for the economy next year. does this change in guidance affect that at all and outline why you're more bearish than consensus >> this is good news, it will keep the economy hopefully more operational than otherwise my bearishness stems rather from the fact that much activity was pulled forward because of the extraordinary

vin gupta, a faculty member at the university school of medicine and an msnbc contributor.much. here's the thing, i understand we're talking about omicron in the media a lot, i get it. it's whatever it is. delta is still the threat, right? it's still ravaging parts of the cold weather states in the northeast or upper midwest i feel like we've lost the plot there. >> thank you for having me you're correct we're forecasting here at the university of washington, for everybody watching, business leaders across the country, 10,000 weekly deaths week over week, overwhelmingly among the unvaccinated because of the delta variant. truth is, omicron if you were to be exposed to it and you're unvaccinated we know it's as lethal if not slightly more to the unvaccinated because that virus builds up in your body, more in your body, more likely you are to see me in a hospital setting i'm glad you pointed out the headlines about keeping folks who are vaccinated out of the hospital even if you're exposed to this variant. we have lost the plot here, you're right it's no longer appropriate to

vin gupta. we'll get to omicron in a second.cases are up 19%. the seven-day average is about 104,000 new cases a day. hospitalizations are up almost 20%. deaths are up 5%. what's going on? >> good afternoon, nicole. this is entirely expected. this is -- what we're seeing, we're expecting about 10,000 weekly deaths, week over week, well into the beginning of march of 2022, and it's going to happen, nicole, probably 90% of it, if not higher, in zip codes that will never consider what mayor bill de blasio so ably did today with the vaccine mandate. these are going to be zip codes that will not be subject, likely, to vaccine mandates, places where vaccine uptake is low so this is where we're at. as a pulmonologist, i worry about cold and flu season, everything non-covid that we bring in and it's going to make for a tricky four months ahead. >> tell me the omicron analysis, and that has not taken over here yet, right? we're still seeing just scattered people that are tested, testing positive for this variant, but it appears, based on

vin gupta, pulmonologist.onia, the new covid testing rules for international travel went into effect today. what are you seeing at one of the country's busiest airports? >> reporter: that's right. as of 12:01 a.m. this morning, these new restrictions and test requirements got in place. if you're a traveler who's already abroad or you are planning to travel out of the country anytime soon, in order to come back and enter the united states, you're going to have a one-day window to get a negative covid test back. and that applies to basically everyone, if you're over 2 years old, if you are vaccinated or unvaccinated and it doesn't matter what country you are coming back from. and that one-day window is key. people have been operating with a 72-hour window up until now, and so travelers really need to plan ahead. not only logistically, but also potentially with their budgets because not every country has the same testing infrastructure that we have here, so depending on where you are, your test may not be free. s

vin gupta.dra, i don't know if this has been a fast year, the longest year of your life, but a year later how do you feel about where we are with covid? >> good morning. thanks for having me on. since that historic day, i have to say that we've made progress with we are now 61% vaccinated. we're not where we want to be. we still have some more work to do. >> let's talk about that work because as the first person vaccinated you've become a sort of spokesperson. what do you tell people who still after everything we know, after 800,000 lives lost, what do you say to folks who are still unsure or hesitant to get the shot? >> what i tell them is that covid is not going to go away without action. inaction is not an option. we continue to be at risk for the virus and these variants, because we're not at the rate where we should be in terms of vaccinations. so i tell them that now is a good time for them to get informed and get vaccinated. >> so i always want to bring in the medical director at the univ

vin gupta, msnbc medical contributor and critical care pulmonologist.ople are no longer getting covid solely by accident. they are allowing themselves to get it by not getting vaccinated or spreading it when they don't have to. let's talk about the former president of the united states. then you can also talk about the christian conservatives who are spreading covid. donald trump got covid. what he did, when he tested positive for it was to go on a world tour as a superspreader. he met with gold star families. he then did a debate with then 77-year-old soon to be president joe biden. he hosted a reception to honor gold star families. he did that debate as well. he did the big even for amy coney barrett to celebrate her taking that seat. he literally was a superspreader. what do you make of the fact that so many people are openly and actively spreading this virus potentially without caring? >> joy, good evening, great to see you. it is symptomatic of a lack of empathy across our country unfortunately. ale say with the former president, what is interestin

vin gupta. >>> officials in new york are scaling back new year's eve celebrations, limiting the crowd to roughly 15,000 people and requiring masks for all. there's also important news about former president trump's battle with the january 6th committee. having been turned down by everyone else, trump has now asked the supreme court to block the release of his white house records related to january 6th. frump's lawyers argued that he has a constitutional right to keep congress from seeing those materials, even though president biden declined to invoke executive privilege over them, noting that, quote, president trump is more than an ordinary citizen. he's one of only five living americans who, as former presidents, are granted special authority to make determinations regarding the disclosure of records and communications created during their terms of office, end quote. >> late today the january 6th committee asked the high court to move quickly on trump's appeal. lawyers for the committee say they will respond to trump's appeal by december 30th. the select committee is also waiting to

vin gupta. i want to start with you and with a new clip we're just getting in from an interview that dr. anthony fauci conducted for "nbc nightly news" tonight. listen to this -- >> if you're a family sitting around the table planning your holiday trip and you're watching this right now, what should you be rethinking, what would you advise people, not even in an official capacity, but simply good-old common sense? >> well, again, vaccination is going to make the difference, lester. if i have -- i'm a family member, i'm vaccinated, i'm boosted, my wife is vaccinated, she's boosted, my children are coming in by plane from all different parts of the country, they are vaccinated and boosted. so we can feel very comfortable in having our plans to be together as a family in our home with some friends who are also boostered and vaccinated. >> the first thing i take away from that interview which you could see more of on "nightly news" tonight is he keeps talking about booster shots, that booster shots

vin gupta who is our friend of the show who said it would be simpler if the language that the administration used is to be fully vaccinated, you need all three shots, instead of get a booster. three shots means you're fully vaccinated. >> i understand dr. gupta's point and he is a wonderful doctor and a good friend. i would say the cdc, they're the ones who make the definition about what's fully vaccinated. and they're looking at the data closely to determine if and when that definition should change to include the third shot. we still know people who get the two shots, the moderna, the pfizer, the j&j, that protection does wane over time. they will keep us updated on when they change the definition. the bottom line is right now, if you are six months out from your pfizer or moderna vaccine, please go get boosted. if you're two months out from j&j, you can get boosted too. >> you made the analogy of a football team or an army. we're playing right now with half our offensive line refusing to take the field. the quarterback is out there being okay, i got no offensive line, or if it's an army,

vin gupta, a pulmonologist and global health policy expert and yamiche alcindor is still with us.at they'll move to hold peter navarro accountable? >> well, it's a great question. we know that jim clyburn is not someone who's just going to take no for an answerable because peter, as he's telling congress that he doesn't want to come because of executive privilege issues, he's still marketing his book where he lays out in pretty good detail sort of a journal that he kept while he was at former president trump's side and talks about the year of the pandemic. when he was there making decisions alongside the president. so, i think in some ways, lawmakers are seeing this as not just the -- peter navarro not wanted to talk about what happened in the white house but only wanting to talk about it if there's money to be made so lawmakers seem very concerned and very frustrated, frankly, with his actions. i think it will be interesting to see whether or not they take this farther in terms of a criminal contempt charge because obviously, what they're looking at is not january 6th but it's a

i ask what the goal is, but vin gupta says we are counting the wrong thing. shouldn't be counting case anymore. we should be looking at 40789izations and deaths. do you agree with him? >> i absolutely agree. the metric we need to worry about is the hospitalizations. when our hospitals are overwhelmed then everything is hey wear. if you have a stroke, a heart attack, appendicitis f you have a car accident, if you need care that suffers as well nothing happens in a vacuum. i am going the say that again. nothing happens in a vacuum. what that means is how do we protect our health system? how do woe make sure we keep our essential infrastructure from breaking down? we do what we can to avoid having more cases. because even if omicron is less severe than delta or the other variants that we have seen before, when you have still a percentage of people who are going to need hospitalization and may die, that number increases exponentially as does the number of cases. our bottom line is we just want to be able to protect the health system. the number of cases suspect t