>> i was asked by vin weber, who was the chairman. >> who's chairman now? >> well, it has just switched to richard gephardt, because it's so exquisitely, politically balanced, they always make sure that there's the same number of republicans and democrats. there's lots of congressmen and ambassadors who are on the board. when the white house changes, they do change from chairman to vice chairman to reflect the party in power. >> do they pay you? >> no. >> do they pay the chairman? >> i don't think so. no. no. >> how big is the staff? >> the staff is i think about 120 or so. and they operate on a pretty thin budget. basically, they receive the grants. people in other countries apply for grants -- countries all over the world, virtually every country where there is some need to improve the democratic process. and they've been very active in the middle east. but they come to us. they can get on our web site and apply for a grant. and then, our staff make sure that they're legitimate and that they have the wherewithal to comply with the requirements. we're very

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