the liberals will never tolerate him going there. >> see, vin weber. come out there with entitlement reform. mitt romney has a medicare reform package. >> i know, he seldom, seldom talks about it. i think rick santorum does also, he signs on to ryan, but he seldom talks about it. what i'm saying, ven, when the president puts out this package that won't deal with medicare and won't deal with soak and raises taxes pretty much across the board on businesses, successful owners and investors, there should be a massive republican response. in other words, you create conflicting visions. here's his vision. here's our vision. >> i don't hear that coming out of the michigan primary so far, ben. i just don't hear it. >> it's all there, larry. you basically said it's all there. the tax plan is there and it's evolving. romney has a very strong entitlement reform plan that paul ryan has praised. the problem is we're right at this moment in sort of a bubble for the president and we have the first good economic news and he's benefiting from it and the republicans are

glen hubbard, vin weber, an economic policy team that has advocated many times in the past for a massiveram, argued for carbon tax, simpson/bowles commission. the hope with mitt romney is that he's just playing a game here and the advisers are really where you want to take the cue. >> so, ezra, you're not helping. >> ezra, you're not helping me at all here. you're making it even harder for me to defend mitt romney. >> that's not helpful? >> well, it's helpful if you're a progressive who writes for the "washington post," not so if you're a small-government conservative. >> that's an issue, right? it's an issue where we've come to the point where those issues are progressive. what about a mortgage refinancing program is progressive? what about moving some taxes away from work on to carbon to get down carbon pollution is progressive? that's just good policy. the fact that it's become progressive, it's a problem for republicans. >> if you have your world view -- >> which part of my world view is needed there? >> the fact that you want the federal government to step -- you think the prob with