we explore that with former minnesota congressman vin weber. the record, he's formally endorsed jeb bush. and jonathan martin, national political correspondent for "the new york times." welcome to both of you. so, ja jonathan let me start wih you, when you were in south carolina when donald trump made the comments about muslims. first of all, remind us, what was the reaction in the where he spoke and what's been the reaction since then? >> quite enthusiastic from his supporters, a lot of applause and a sort of prolonged ovation, many folks standing up, some yells. there was approval. i talked to many of them afterwards, too, and it was easy to find people in that crowd that support immediate donald trump's plan. if you dig a little bit deeper though, you can find some people that i think want to see the border tightened and want to see immigration tightened, want to see more vetting of those coming into the country but are a little bit leery about going as far as trump plans so i don't think it's as cut and dried as perhaps the crowd reaction m

vin weber is a jeb bush supporter and adviser to the 2012 romney presidential campaign and is joiningu. take off your jeb hat and put on the analyst hat, if you can, does jeb bush still have a play in this field, given how strange this campaign is going? >> sure. i can take off my jeb hat and still say with a straight face, yes, i think he gave his best debate performance ever last night. i have been around him at different events the last few weeks and he's the best that i have seen him. if a candidate is going to hit his stride at some point in the campaign, this is the time you want to do it. i think he'll do very well. there's no question that donald trump is the leader in this race. there's no doubt about that. but only jeb bush took him on last night. i don't know how you defeat the front-runner if you don't take on the front-runner. >> well, if they are going to take on the front-runner, why didn't jeb do what many as viso visovise advisers were saying, take him on as the nominee. his lack of judgment, whatever jeb has said, the logical conclusion is i would not support you if

earlier this week, ali spoke to vin weber, where the prospect of an open convention was discussed. a lobbyist who has lobbied on behalf of qatar which helps fund al jazeera america. >> you look at chris christie, john kasich, they have had to had executive authority and make decisions in their own states, and they have a much more nuances approach. a strong approach but a nuanced approach national security. the senators and the outsiders like trump and carson lack any nuance in terms of their approach and that resonates more with primary voters. the idea that to hell with nuance and political correctness i'm going to come down like a ton of bricks on anybody who threatens national security. the governors and their nuanced views are not getting anyone above 10% in the polls. >> that is unfortunate in the case. i'm still looking forward to voting in the next couple of months in iowa, that will change. governors like jeb bush and john kasich have had to deal with problems in their own communities and they understand bringing the community together to fight threats is the only way to s