should we remain vinal plant? certainly, is it a possibility? absolutely. let's look at the facts. the claims the border i vice lent -- [applause] >> claims people are coming here too get us. it's beside for the border in terms of wasting resources and takes our eye off the ball where the reel -- very hard to attract capital, investment and talent to communities like el paso and laredo when the governor says car bombs are going off in el paso, isis on the border. they're not true. >> the governor, i think he realized he made a mistake that was three years ago and still being brought up in the news, either -- some people say could be beating a dead horse. i think -- or that it's very real, going on. but commissioner, you get the perspective that is a little north of the border. and congressman, if you want to follow up with what the congressman said. the -- i just want to follow up with you because the middle eastern extremists -- you remember former sheriff in -- [inaudible] -- thought shay found al qaeda passages. did you take it seriously then or now? >> anytime there's a claim w