inhabitants have it to see about the results and with that in mind, please join me in welcoming vincent andrew to the strand. [applause] >> it is great to be here with you. so start on the title, you have set out to really draw what i say of as a fungal. online extremist. i guess take the bullet for all of us. and exposing yourself to that. techno- utopian, evil and sort of the top of the tech world. and the employees are part of this triangle is like squares were for the new yorker. i would love to just sort of trace all parts of that triangle. the first thing one ask is just about the question that a lot of people ask. i say why would you spend your time with these people. a lot of people see why give them oxygen or something like that. who is the impulse that means you saved, no it's really important that we have to understand who they are. it's a good question on multiple levels to wonder why put yourself through that psychological ny given oxygen wide legitimated. and i didn't want to be flip about that. because the question of when to avoid normalization and how to avoid normalization i

with that in mind please join me to welcome vincent and andrew to the strand. [applause] >> it is great to be here. it's right there in the title you have set up to draw these online extremist that you took the bullet for all of us to expose yourself. led the third part of the triangle to so i would love to trace all parts of that but first i want to ask the question that people ask why did you spend your time with these people. why give them oxygen cracks what is the impulse to say it is important quex. >> it is a good question on multiple levels why you put yourself through that psychologically and why legitimated or given oxygen and i didn't want to be sent about that because the question of when to avoid a normalization should be on everybody's mind constantly these days and not things that should be marginalized. but basically and doing to us psychologically. a note then to know how weird and darwinian it is. there's no great checks on any businesses. because speech acts to the good that we agree with that with that darwinian click bait. but this is all be