colonel vindman, an honor to have you here.you for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> you said here, dad, i'll be okay. then you were forced out of your job at the white house and then refused a promotion to full colonel and forced to retire from the army. is that okay? >> it's not. but that's not why i took the actions i did. i took the actions i did because i saw that there was corruption and i had a duty to -- doesn't make a difference who it was. the president of the united states or not, i had a responsibility to make a correction to speak to the right people, to see if we could fix the issue. >> you knew immediately that you had to do something. you went directly to your brother's office, who also worked at the white house. and you said to him, if this gets out, the president is going to be impeached. did the sense of weight and consequence come to you at that time? >> absolutely. i was aware of the import of that moment. i had no idea how it was going to change my life. i knew that there were -- there was a signi

colonel vindman, it's an honor for being with us.then you are forced out of your job at the white house. and then he refused to promotion to full colonel. and you are forced to retire from the army. is that ok? >> it's. not but that's not why i took the actions i did, i took those actions because i saw there was corruption and i had a duty but does it make a difference who it was, i had a responsibility to make a correction to speak to the right people, to see if we could fix the issue. >> you knew immediately when that happened that you had to do something, you went directly to your brother's office, who also worked at the white house. and you said to him, if this gets out, the president is going to be impeached. in the sense of weigh in consequence come to you at that time? absolutely, i was aware at the import of that moment. i knew that it was going to change my life, there is a risk of is taking on my shoulders, i'd probably jeopardize my position at the white house. but i also knew the situation was much bigger than me, and i h

alexander vindman joins me now. colonel vindman good to see you again.e start with with a conversation early this we can. at the end of the conversation i asked you, was it worth it? you have now had a chance though talk to lots and lots of people and get a lot of feedback on your book. i ask you again, was the decision to report what happened on the phone call and testify at the impeachment of donald trump, was it worth it? >> you know, ali, i sat up most of this morning, didn't sleep well last night thinking about that question. and there was little i would do -- there is nothing i wouldn't do to defend this country. but the personal cost was immense. if i just stayed silent, had not reported that phone call, the president would not have been impeached. and my life would not have been thrown into turmoil. i would still have a manipulator career, still have the relationships that had fallen apart over the subsequent weeks and months. i wouldn't have created a massive amount of anxiety in my family. so there was a great personal cost. but i still stick t

vindman writes this.'s before impeachment and after impeachment. when we turned on fox news, laura ingraham's guests were john yoo, the former justice department official in the george w. bush administration, and alan dershowitz. they accused me of being a traitor to the united states. now we knew we were in a before and after moment. hearing me called a traitor on a tv show viewed by millions set our family into after impeachment. here was yet another new terrain. vindman goes on to describe fears for his family's safety, even as he faced retaliation from within the white house in the wake of his public testimony. to protect my family now receiving threats at the house and to get the administration to stop harassing me, i considered moving us out of our home and onto base for security purposes. our greatest effort as a family, however, was to refuse to allow the mail strom of crude political attacks on me to shake us up. i'm grateful that ellie, my daughter, was only 8 during this period. now it's differ

colonel vindman, thank you so much.m. >> thank you, don. >> you know, it's hard to believe, but that was nearly two years ago. since then, the former president tried to overturn the election. there was an insurrection at the capitol by a pro-trump mob. he was impeached for a second time. could you or anyone have foreseen all of this chaos and tragedy that unfolded? >> absolutely not. i think in my worst nightmares, i couldn't have foreseen a catastrophe that resulted in 600,000 americans dead, and we usually attribute that directly to president trump. but it's more than president trump. it's his enablers. it's the congressional leadership that failed to hold them accountable in that first impeachment, that emboldened him going into a pandemic, resulting in 600,000 dead. imagine the world in which he was removed or even censured, and he was back on his heels. would he have taken the pandemic more seriously? would 600,000 people have died? and i think not. >> you know, his first impeachment hinged on what you heard during

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i'm joined by a key witness, retired army lieutenant colonel alexander vindman.h us, is barbara mcquaid, former u.s. tomorrow and michigan law professor. i hope you can hear me, lieutenant colonel vindman. i hear a bit of feedback in my audio. hopefully you can hear me. you talk about the fact that when you heard this call, with the ukrainian president, you immediately knew it was an impeachable offense. talk a little bit about that. >> that's right, thank you for having is me on, first of all. it's interesting from the very beginning although it seems to me that president trump was surprised he was president. he was unready to govern. he was looking forward for the next opportunity to continue his enterprise and continue to profit off of his office and i witnessed that first hand in my tenure at the white house on the national security council when he attempted to steal the election very early on and what we are witnessing is a continued enterprise. in my case, i heard the phone call, to me it was apparent to find dirt on joe biden so he could, first of all, und

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. >> in your seat i interviewed lieutenant colonel alexander vindman. it was a remarkable interview about the moment in which she realized that donald trump had done something illegal and that can't stand and he will do something about that. maybe dj pack went through something like, that maybe jeff rosen went through something like that where he said this can't stand. i am most worried that our democracy cannot to rely on the fact that people will make good judgments. i'm really glad some people did in that alexander vindman did and he is a hero for doing. it i would really like to know that there is something else in its place that will prevent somebody like donald trump from an doing democracy as we have learned there was a full plan to do. this was not a win it was a plan. >> that's exactly right. you can't have a system that depends on superhuman heroism. there has to be consequences for putting people in circumstances where the only way to move forward and public services to be self sacrificing and-ing -- on a regular basis. today is the -- former

national security council, retired lieutenant colonel alexander vindman joins me now. thank you so much for joining me. i want to start with -- with the title of your book "here right matters." when you testified in congress that phrase won a nation's heart t.spoke to your family finding in america freedoms it lacked in the soviet union but you've lived to see anti-democratic forces follow you here and your confident right mattering here seems to be intention with the democrat being backsliding that we're witnessing in this country and that you saw up close. does right really matter here in some special unique way? >> thank you for having me off. i think it does. i think this country is very unique. in addition to my decades of military service, i served in some really difficult environments, in countries where democracy didn't exist or was under great pressure and i could see the contrast between those countries and the united states. it's something important to mention is that president trump was the chief executive and his party controlled one of the houses in congr

vindman, i'm glad your dad made that decision all those years ago and on behalf of the commonwealth club i want to say to everybody our thanks to alexander vindman for joining us and by the book, is wonderful. there's much more we didn't get into. i'd like to thank the audience for watching and sending in questions and if you'd like to watch more programs or support the commonwealth club efforts in making virtual programming please visit commonwealth club.org/online . thank you, stay safe, stay healthy. go tigers. we will see you all. >> you're watching book tv with top nonfiction books and authors every weekend. book tv: television for serious readers. >> joining us is anthony davies. he is the co-author of "cooperation and coercion: how busybodies became busybullies and what that means for economics and politics". professor davies, in your book your right early on children learn a word for people that tell others how to live their lives : busybodies. why is thatincluded ? why is that important to the theme of your book ? >> the subtitle to the book is how busybodies became busybullies

colonel alexander vindman joins me to talk about this more. thank you so much for taking the type and thank you for the service. >> thank you. >> here right matters. you paid a cost for this. you were forced out, your brother as well. the president to date has not faced legal consequences over this. he was acquitted in not one but two impeachment trials. do you still believe that? ? >> i do believe that. but i also believe that in order for right to matter we have to make it matter. and that means doubling down on accountability, that means he doesn't get a pass nor do his enablers in congress, still serving congress men and senators and i think they locked away to reints grate back into normal business profit off of their positions. they don't get a pass either. >> yeah. when you look back at the ukraine case and so much has happened since then, that people may forget the details of it. but here is a case of a u.s. president willing to use military assistance to an ally in need, under attack today by russia, for political gains. saying hey, i

i'm excited to be with you all today and i'm honored to be joyed by lieutenant colonel alexander vindman an american hero who is here to discuss his book in american story i'm sure you all know alex but after former president trump with you phone call to president zelensky the chain of commands he had of foreign allies that damage the political challenger at home in the first time how we ended up at the center of the firestone and will discuss that in the next hour and i want to hear your questions, please put them in later in the program i also have a question from alex's wife that i'll be getting too thin to the program, thank you so much how is the book tour been going, how does the response been what is been your biggest take away from all of this. >> i need to figure out i think it was john williams this is a very sharp learning curve on something i frankly i never thought i'd be doing i thought eventually i would do something policy or geopolitics working on my visitation at hopkins so that is in the works but somebody in my mid form 40s writing a memoir it's a bit surreal and i co

colonel vindman is good to have you here. you write about in the book this shock of hearing the brazenness of the ask on the phone call i want you to talk about what it was like to hear that and your contacts of understanding precisely what was happening in your moment when it happened. >> sure, certainly in the book i explained a whole background before this call, this enterprising unfolding over the course of months. what was brazen and beyond the pale is the presidents own direct hand being the driving force in seeking to undermine a free and fair election. undermined the foundation of how our government has operated for more than 200 years, a peaceful transition of power, following free and fair election, that is what was brazen about it. the fact that the enterprise was unfolding with something that we were watching for many months. we thought that it was trump toadies, proxies seeking to ingratiate themselves, even up to mick mulvaney, the chief of staff. it's the presidents own actions directly that alarmed me and nece

i'll be joined by alexander vindman breaking down his time in the white house and his future.the wrong side against covid. me too founder. on the growing scandal surrounding cuomo. another-mile-an-hour of "velshi" begins right now. >>> good morning, saturday august 7thwell i'm alv velshi. in just a couple horsepower the senate convenience on the $1 trillion infrastructure back will package following days of negotiations. senate majority leader chuck schumer is expected to hold a procedural vote to wind down debates and get this bill passed as soon as possible. while congress has been mostly focused on legislation that would build up our nation we're continuing to learn more about how hard the former president tried to tear apart the fabric of you are our democracy. in addition to blatant lies about the 2020 presidential election there was a far more insidious plot to actually overturn the results going on in the background. just days before the deadly january 6th assault on the capitol, one of the expresident's top department officials was circulating a draft letter that would

and in his new book "here right matters an american story" vindman details his side of the story andthe army is with us today. you detailed this phone conversation in this book, this changed your life and led to president treump's impeachment, investigate biden, get the aid. you write of trump, monotone, stanoffish, he remains stubborn aloof to make a personal connection. i knew one thing my carefully talking points had gone by the boards. the president wasn't using them at all. he may never seen them. as the conversation progressed my worst fears about the call kept being reconfirmed. off on a tangent of his own the president with every passing moment was aggravating a potentially explosive foreign policy situation. you're essentially listening and probably freaking out as you hear what he's doing. what was it like? >> you know, a military freak out might be different than -- >> a quiet scream, i don't know. >> maybe. maybe. i certainly was starting to think through what steps i would have to take to do some damage control, which was not uncommon issue with trump administration. whe

>> colonel vindman, this is gene robinson.ns who defamed you and who treated you so badly, apologized? >> no, definitely not. i don't think it's in their dna at the moment to do that. i had hoped at one point that the republicans who are -- who tout themselves as defenders of the military, of law enforcement would kind of see the merits of what i'm saying, none of that unfolded the way it did. there were a couple republican leaders that did reach out and were supportive, liz cheney reached out and spoke to my wife. mitt romney took a principled stand but those were the exception rather than the rule. >> colonel, let me just ask you about your father's faith in this country and your faith in this country. obviously you have a lot of reasons, your father has a lot of reasons to still believe in the dream of america. i'm curious where you are right now on that. i remember i had a friend from turkey and during the iraq war, every day he would lecture me about how bad america was, and after about the 40th consecutive lecture, i was

plus, retired lieutenant colonel alexander vindman came to america to escape authoritarianism, but hasrica shake its habit of toxic male leaders?

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to tell you, we reported really interesting things but that conversation with lieutenant colonel vindman, it's inspiring. his view is that there are lots of americans like him. he is not a standout. there are lots of people in government, you know this better than, any who are actually prepared to take a stand and suffer the consequences. >> that is exactly what i wanted to mention to you, ali. it was really a great interview. i am so glad that you let it breathe and go on as long as it did. i especially like the part -- which we can never hear before now -- of what's life is now, and what his life is going to be. we all knew about when he lost. we all knew about the military career he lost as a result of bravely crossing donald trump. but to hear where he's headed was so encouraging and that in itself was inspiring. that he is turning what's happening to him into a positive direction in his own life. >> he has never doubted, even though it cost him heavily. he never doubted the decision to do the right thing. it was heartening. >> thank you ali. >> have a good shell. >> thank you. very

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you might be familiar with you might not have heard from for a while, lieutenant army colonel alex vindman, author of the new book "here right matters an american story" an account of his life and vision to expose donald trump's abuse of power which of course led to the former president's first impeachment. colonel vinman, it's good to have you here. you write in the book the sort of shock of hearing the brazenness of the ask on the phone call. and i want you to just talk about what it was like to hear that in your context for understanding precisely what was happening in the moment when it happened. >> sure. certainly in the book i relay this -- the whole background before this call, this enterprise unfolding over the course of multiple months. what was brazen and beyond the pale was the president's own direct hand being a driving force in seeking to undermine a free and fair election, undermine the very foundation of how our government has operated for more than 200 years, a peaceful transition of power on free and fair elections. that's what was brazen about it. the fact this enterprise

three run vindman the 12th off tyler chat would and the giants fall 6-2.is shohei ohtani's world. we are just living in it. pitched eight innings as well as the angels beat detroit 3-2. draymond green and kevin durant blame management for the breakup of the warriors dynasty. they sit down for a conversation about their 2018 -- many felt like he would leave before the implosion and he said this is why i am out as he took the court. an excerpt from that conversation. >> steve kerr acted like it did not happen. bob myers tried to discipline you and think that that would put the mask over everything. i really felt like that was such a big situation for us as a group. we had to get that all out. i looked at that time playing with the warriors as so special to me but it was time to move on. >> i still think he just wananan at metro by t-mobile... ...we don't think you should pay extra for unlimited 5g. n introducing the big 5g upgrade. ditch boost and cricket... ...and save half when you switch. just twenty-five bucks a month for one line of unlimited smartphone

three run vindman the 12th off tyler chat would and the giants fall 6-2.t is shohei ohtani's world. we are just living in it. pitched eight innings as well as the angels beat detroit 3-2. draymond green and kevin durant blame management for the breakup of the warriors dynasty. they sit down for a conversation about their 2018 -- many felt like he would leave before the implosion and he said this is why i am out as he took the court. an excerpt from that conversation. >> steve kerr acted like it did not happen. bob myers tried to discipline you and think that that would put the mask over everything. i really felt like that was such a big situation for us as a group. we had to get that all out. i looked at that time playing with the warriors as so special to me but it was time to move on. >> i still think he just wante ama: thanks for watching. dan: we appreciate your time. ri >> i don't know. you are asking a lot of questions this morning. i cannot say foosball without thinking "waterboy." foosball. >> foosball. >>> coming up, the cockroach that can do tric

lieutenant colonel alexander vindman reflects on his decision to report the call to the ukrainian president po president trump's first impeachment. later, more from freedomfest with duquesne university professor antony davies thoughts on the role of cooperation and coercion plate in our society. you can find more schedule information in your program guide or online at booktv.org. >> host: gary hoover is the author of this book, "the lifetime learner's guide to reading and learning." but before we get into the themes of the book, mr. hoover, in your biography says you live in in a 33 room house. 32 rooms of which contain books, 57,000 books in total. explain. >> guest: yeah, i'm afraid a few more came last week so i've got to be closer to 60,000. it's an addiction and there's no 12-step program for book collectors. >> host: so 33 room house though? >> guest: i found a good bargain on an abandoned community health clinic in the small town in texas. so it's got all these little exam rooms and they are just perfect for filling up. each room is a different subject and its a very unusual living a

on monday night i interviewed lieutenant vindman, who said there's other people in the government likething, how do we assure ourselves that this kind of thing cannot just happen. a corrupt president cannot just try to corrupt the justice department and overturn democracy. >> i think that's a great question. i think at this point, here we have to realize that we can't just trust that there's going to be people of integrity in these high offices, including the presidency, so what needs to be done at the justice department, to put into place reforms, to prevent it from being used as an instrument for overturning an election by the very president who lost. those are the types of questions we have to ask now. in all the more reason i would say that we need to put into place whatever reforms are necessary to shore up our democracy and to protect it, for the next elections. let me put in a special plug for hr1 and fs1, the for the people act. we need that right now. >> we are seeing evidence, that is more important. congressman, thank you for joining. us he's a member of the house orders sak

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i got to talk to colonel vindman today. >> i hear you, you have been doing it, shout-out to your mommy mug. >> you asked the question. >> thank you, ari. >>> i will see you, nicole. i am ari melber, we are also working hard here. we have a lot of stories we track here. including a bombshell of donald trump. donald trump demanding the doj to overturn the election in ways that experts and people with government experience are calling it, quote "coup attempt." we see how far the campaign got because it went deep inside the justice department. these e-mails newly released by abc showing doj officials rejected colleague's request to intervene in the certification of georgia's election. a top official tried to draft the letter and this is truly damming. i will use my words carefully here. this is not something we have seen before at this high level inside the doj. i will read to you what you see here. it is very clear. they want it to do trump's bidding and say the governor of georgia should have called a special session to consider the important and urgent matter of trying to overturn what

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back, taking covid deniers to task during an interview with retired lieutenant colonel alexander vindmant mincing words. >> there is a virus. it kills people. and the only way we prevent it is to get vaccinated, wear masks, do social distancing, washing your hands all the time. and not just think about my freedom is being disturbed here. no. screw your freedom. you have the freedom to wear no masks but you're an shmuck for not wearing a mask. >> he later said he admits calling people schmucss was a little much. you definitely don't want to get arnold angry. good job on his part. >>> meantime the world has lost more than 4 million people to covid-19 and the waves of grief for those left behind have been tremendous. this week's cnn hero knows just how difficult and isolating it is to lose a spouse. michelle hernandez created a community of widows that heals together. >> i would tell the nurse, tell him i love him, because they would not let me in. sometimes i would just go sit in the parking lot just to be close to him. april 13th, they told me he was gone. i needed someone to understand w

next saturday we'll have retired colonel alexander vindman for one of his first cable interviews for the sunday show with jonathan capehart starts right now. >>> the new covid reality. as the delta variant spreads, more companies and events are requiring masks and proof of vaccination. we'll ask the experts where we go from here. >>> so much for backing the blue. we'll get into why conservative media is attacking the police who protected the capitol during the insurrection. >>> and does jim jordan sound a little nervous to you when asked if he spoke to trump before, during or after the attack on january 6th? >> i spoke with him that day, after -- i think after. i don't know if i spoke with him in the morning or not. i just don't know. i'd have to go back and -- i mean, i don't -- i don't -- i don't know what -- when those conversations happened. >> well, what, what happened was, could he be the next witness called before the january 6th select committee? i'm jonathan capehart. this is "the sunday show." ♪♪ ♪♪ >>> this sunday it's turning out to be hot mask summer. americans are maski

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lieutenant colonel alexander vindman, who testified in the first impeachment trial against former president show" live at 9:00 p.m. eastern tonight on msnbc. but first, "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. >>> tonight, on "all in." the nationwide rise in covid cases continues and so does the red-state race to the bottom. >> we've got republican governors, across this country, pretending they didn't shut down their states. >> tonight, the republican governor actually doing the best job holding the delta variant at bay. then, surgeon general vivek murthy on a genuine vaccine surge across america. plus, new yorker's jane mayor on the dark money funding the big lie. and why is this congresswoman about to spend her fifth-straight night sleeping on the steps of the capitol? >> we can't go on recess. we can't go on vacationhe

lieutenant colonel alexander vindman, who testified in the first impeachment trial against former president donald trump about his phone call with the president of ukraine joins "the rachel maddow show" live at 9:00 p.m. eastern tonight on msnbc. but first, "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. >>> tonight, on "all in." the nationwide rise in covid cases continues and so does the red-state race to the bottom. >> we've got republican governors, across this country, pretending they didn't shut down their states. >> tonight, the republican governor actually doing the best job holding the delta variant at bay. then, surgeon general vivek murthy on a genuine vaccine surge across america. plus, new yorker's jane mayor on the dark money funding the big lie. and why is this congresswoman about to spend her fifth-straight night sleeping on the steps of the capitol? >> we can't go on recess. we can't go on vacation when millions of people's lives are at risk. >>> congresswoman cori bush joins me live when "all in" starts right now. >>> good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. as the delta v

vindman was completely wrong going outside his chain of command, and the report that came out of thatenant colonel doing it the way he has. i know he feels passionate and believes in the cause, but there's a process, and that's why he was removed from his post. he said he understood that on facebook and would have done the same thing. rachel: he did. >> i know he's passionate, and i know he cares, and we all do because those mama leans shouldn't have died -- marines shouldn't have died. pete: consistency in the application of accountability. joey, real quick, as we watch these live pictures of joe biden joining air force one on his way to dover, the weight of a moment like our troops coming home and what a nation should be reflecting on as our flags are at half staff across the nation if, i know you've lost folks you've served with as well, families awaiting their arrival at dover, a lot of emotion here. >> yeah, i just want to take a moment to remind everyone the that bomb went off inning afghanistan. it didn't go off in boston, new york, austin, atlanta or san francisco. it went off