um, and as a member of the association of african-american vintners, a couple of the guys says, "you know, you knaw as much about this as we do. why don't you create your own wine?" said, "i don't have the money you all have. heh. and i don't wanna be broke the rest of mx life." and i talked to a couple people. i talked to mac, um, and he said, "i think you can do this, uh, and i'll hep you from the standpoint of providing you counsel if need be, but why don't you do it? why don't you try it?" >> today this group of pioneering men have as much fun educating each other as they do others. >> what kind of sausage we got here, my man? >> we got somethin'. we got some--a little chicken, spinach, with feta. we got some bavarian bratwurst, hot italian over here, and in the middle, hawaiian portuguese. >> think that's gonna be enough sausage? >> tell me. you tell me. >> but besides education, the group has one other purpose, to promote the wines that are currently being made by african-american vintners, and every summer, they get the opportunity to do both at their annual luheon and panel d