virg bernero with us tonight. virg, great to have you with us.ction to the president's remarks tonight. i mean, did he get closer to the deal in your mind? >> well, look, he gave a compelling, convincing, eloquent speech, no question. and i think he really touched the heart of many americans. i'm afraid it fell on deaf elephant ears in the u.s. house, though. look, americans get it, just like that guy said, you pay your bills. i mean, this is a bunch of utter nonsense. these people are wing nuts to think they can just ignore the debt that had been racked up by a previous congress. the full faith and credit of the people of lansing, the citizens, and he's got the responsibility of the full faith and credit of the united states of america. i think he can go ahead under the 14th amendment, ed, and pay the bill. >> well, there's no conversation about that. the president says he doesn't want to go down that route. >> well, he may have to. the center on budget policy and priority says that boehner plan could create the greatest increase in hardship and

virg bernero with us tonight. virg, great to have you with us.night. i mean, did he get closer to the deal in your mind? >> well, look, he gave a compelling, convincing, eloquent speech, no question. and i think he really touched the heart of many americans. i'm afraid it fell on deaf elephant ears in the u.s. house, though. look, americans get it, just like that guy said, you pay your bills. i mean, this is a bunch of ultranultrtter nonsense. these people are wing nuts to think they can just ignore the debt that had been racked up by a previous congress. the full faith and credit of the people of lansing, the citizens, and he's got the responsibility of the full faith and credit of the united states of america. i think he can go ahead under the 14th amendment, ed, and pay the bill. >> well, there's no conversation about that. the president says he doesn't want to go down that route. >> well, he may have to. the center on budget policy and priority says that boehner plan could create the greatest increase in hardship and poverty than any law in u