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faith in the blessings of the virgin mary and the other saints. and this is tell me. in nine hundred sixty eight the virgin mary appeared at this church it was april second a tuesday is that of the world you need to get done out of but there was a wonderful apparition on the dome and that's why this is a very special place for us that it's fact that before there long it was an amazingly beautiful apparition that's why this place is holy i mean. this week it's right. by. me. and to me also. we see where. the sites that will light. since. we're going to. special because flying very quickly at the end of them long as it heals the virgin performs many miracles anyone who is sick who needs something receives her support ladder have media big you know i come here when i have a problem or i'm worried i tell her everything you mention and i pray and when i go home my heart is a peace that i feel her interceding in my life and taking care of my problems will help. and. i like most every cup to church there is a small shop with devotional objects including pictures of the copti
faith in the blessings of the virgin mary and the other saints. and this is tell me. in nine hundred sixty eight the virgin mary appeared at this church it was april second a tuesday is that of the world you need to get done out of but there was a wonderful apparition on the dome and that's why this is a very special place for us that it's fact that before there long it was an amazingly beautiful apparition that's why this place is holy i mean. this week it's right. by. me. and to me also. we...
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futhermore course has served as priest at this historic church of the virgin mary in haaretz so violent for many years in the study on the shelf. and i will try as i'm from this region. i was baptized at the baptismal font in this church. this is always been my church since i was a child. of my years in the church of the holy virgin that's the way to has a very special spirituality and that everyone from this area even if they've moved away come here to celebrate special occasions in that church came. up with enough out of the history. of this i got must but it must be on their flight that the holy family came to egypt. they passed through the country from east to west from north to south following the path of a cross. this is one of the places they rested when they came from old cairo has he. definitely probably we're not a minority but our church the coptic orthodox church is the native church of the christians of egypt a little bell it is thank god the strong the growing the church yes it is growing as you can see from the fact that there are all over the world you know that i was fo
futhermore course has served as priest at this historic church of the virgin mary in haaretz so violent for many years in the study on the shelf. and i will try as i'm from this region. i was baptized at the baptismal font in this church. this is always been my church since i was a child. of my years in the church of the holy virgin that's the way to has a very special spirituality and that everyone from this area even if they've moved away come here to celebrate special occasions in that...
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so much of the music is written for the virgin mary that we have studied and it was there at the cathedraltre dame that musicians learned how to write down precise rhythms for music, for musical repertoire. so the place of this cathedral as a cradle of our musical guild is very much tied to the innovations that the composers of the notre dame school in the late 12th and 13th centuries lead and it's music that went throughout all of europe so for those of us who study european music, it's absolutely crucial. we find evidence of it in scotland, we find it in germany, we find fragments of this particular notation going out throughout europe. and the music is glorious, of course, and so those of us who studied music history, that's one of the things that we celebrate with our students and that we concentrate on, and we have always had that building where we can turn to it and think about its acoustics and think about the ways in which mediaeval music fit into it. even though there have been many changes over time, we all know that. but still, to have it there has meant so much to us. so i pray
so much of the music is written for the virgin mary that we have studied and it was there at the cathedraltre dame that musicians learned how to write down precise rhythms for music, for musical repertoire. so the place of this cathedral as a cradle of our musical guild is very much tied to the innovations that the composers of the notre dame school in the late 12th and 13th centuries lead and it's music that went throughout all of europe so for those of us who study european music, it's...
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i thought, everything is on fire, but the cross in virgin mary are here. -- and the virgin mary are here. dame.are live from notre with me is doug herbert. we will talk about the damages that the cathedral sustained, but tell us more about what was saved. >> apparently quite a bit was saved. and the thehe richness vast wealth of n notre dame cathedral was inside the cathedral. what we heard throughout the night and is now b been confirm, a lot of the artwork in the cathedral because it's essentially a giant museum. artwork was a chain of humanity a firirefighters that passed a lot of artwork out. place where kings and queeeens were married d and bur. surrrrounding those scripts and attending them are a whole host of artifacts. that is what the firefighters were desperately trying to save even as they werere battling 500 of them. the famous rosary window was intact when saved. i'm sure they will subjected to further inspections because them, not famous for original stained glass windows, but which were installed over the centuries. how many of those are still intact. how many may have bee
i thought, everything is on fire, but the cross in virgin mary are here. -- and the virgin mary are here. dame.are live from notre with me is doug herbert. we will talk about the damages that the cathedral sustained, but tell us more about what was saved. >> apparently quite a bit was saved. and the thehe richness vast wealth of n notre dame cathedral was inside the cathedral. what we heard throughout the night and is now b been confirm, a lot of the artwork in the cathedral because it's...
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so much of the music is written for the virgin mary that we have studied and it was there at the cathedralecise rhythms for music, for musical repertory. our musical guilt is very much tied to the innovations that the composers of the notre dame school in the late 12th and 13th centuries lead and it is music that went throughout all of europe so for those of us who studied european music, it's absolutely crucial. we find evidence of it in scotland, we find evidence of it in scotland, we find it in germany, defined fragments of this particular notation going out throughout europe and the music is glorious, of course, and so those of us who studied music history, that's one of the things that we celebrate with our students and that we concentrate on and we have always had that building where we can turn to it and think about its acoustics and think about the ways in which mediaeval music fit into it. even though there have been many cheese and — make changes over time, we all know that. but still, to have it there has meant so much to us. so i pray that it's going to be restored and i'm so t
so much of the music is written for the virgin mary that we have studied and it was there at the cathedralecise rhythms for music, for musical repertory. our musical guilt is very much tied to the innovations that the composers of the notre dame school in the late 12th and 13th centuries lead and it is music that went throughout all of europe so for those of us who studied european music, it's absolutely crucial. we find evidence of it in scotland, we find evidence of it in scotland, we find it...
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father more curse has served as preached at this historic church of the virgin mary in haaretz or violent for many years in this very unofficial. yeah and i will try as i'm from this region. i was baptized at the baptismal font in this church. this is always been my church since i was a child. but the writing is at the church of the holy virgin that's the way and has a very special spirituality and everyone from this area even if they've moved away come here to celebrate special occasions in the church. curious about the kind of heart of the story. i love about this i got must but mostly on their flight the holy family came to egypt. they pass through the country from east to west from north to south following the path of a cross. this is one of the places they rested when they came from old cairo has he. you know. we're not a minority you need some of our church the coptic orthodox church is the native churn. the christians of egypt little belive it is thank god a strong them growing the church yes it is growing the enemy as you can see from the fact that there are costs all over the wor
father more curse has served as preached at this historic church of the virgin mary in haaretz or violent for many years in this very unofficial. yeah and i will try as i'm from this region. i was baptized at the baptismal font in this church. this is always been my church since i was a child. but the writing is at the church of the holy virgin that's the way and has a very special spirituality and everyone from this area even if they've moved away come here to celebrate special occasions in...
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inside the golden cross and the virgin mary standing alone. a scene of devastation. >> this is educate anyo gin mary. she's the saint of our country, our city. she's going to help us rebuild it. >> reporter: easter is all about renewal. today across town, an emblem of that. ur.s is paris' bke masterpie completed inonth tried to burn it down. here in france, the cultural tradition is on many people's minds. among them this woman who took part in a flash mob tribute. >> it's important to me because i can play the violin. i can't do everything. i can't rebuild the roof. i'm not rich so i can't give a lot of money. >> reporter: the orchestra gathered outside this weekend play in a sign that things are beginning to return to normal here in paris, this weekend brought a return of the yellow vest protesters. these are massive protests that have broken out almost every saturday for the past six months. many of the protesters say they are angry that city politicians and big business are promising big bucks to repair notre dame but not yet addressed the
inside the golden cross and the virgin mary standing alone. a scene of devastation. >> this is educate anyo gin mary. she's the saint of our country, our city. she's going to help us rebuild it. >> reporter: easter is all about renewal. today across town, an emblem of that. ur.s is paris' bke masterpie completed inonth tried to burn it down. here in france, the cultural tradition is on many people's minds. among them this woman who took part in a flash mob tribute. >> it's...
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inside it, the golden cross and the virgin mary standing vigil all alone. a scene of devastation. >> this building is dedicated to the virgin mary and she's still protecting our people. she's the patron saint of our country, of our city. she'll help us to be able to rebuild it. >> reporter: easter is all about renewal. today, across town at the basilica, an emblem of that. this is paris' second biggest church. a baroque masterpiece completed in the 18th century. barely more than a month ago, an arsonist try to burn that down. today, parisians are there by the thousands for easter mass. here in france the cultural significance of notre dame more so than the religious is on many people's minds. among them, this woman who took part in a flash mob tribute to notre dame. >> it's important for me because i can play the violin, i can do what i can do. i can't do everything. i can't rebuild the roof. i'm not rich. i can't give a lot of money. we're doing what we can do. >> reporter: the orchestra gathered outside this weekend played beethoven's "ode to joy." ♪ and
inside it, the golden cross and the virgin mary standing vigil all alone. a scene of devastation. >> this building is dedicated to the virgin mary and she's still protecting our people. she's the patron saint of our country, of our city. she'll help us to be able to rebuild it. >> reporter: easter is all about renewal. today, across town at the basilica, an emblem of that. this is paris' second biggest church. a baroque masterpiece completed in the 18th century. barely more than a...
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that is the virgin mary and juan diego to whom she spoke with carrying up the bread and wine for the offer tour gifts at the mass. and the next slide is -- now, this is the soh performance of the meditation which is the ava maria in the as deck language. i don't know if i am pronouncing it correctly. and our next slide what unites all the people in the church. i think there is one more to look at. there it is. the genesis of this whole thing and that is frank, the composer of the mass of the americas. i don't know if that is a letter cyst. >> that archbishop cornelio. thank you for those slides. to say the archbishop runs the benedict 16 institute with your management. and you commission this mass; right? the archbishop has long had this dream of taking -- instead of doing as we sometimes do at mass, a little bit of this person's culture and a little bit of that person's culture, bringing together in this days the mexican and kind of elevating them from the popular into the great sacred music tradition. that really is what frank accomplished. and you saw that. that was the -- this sa
that is the virgin mary and juan diego to whom she spoke with carrying up the bread and wine for the offer tour gifts at the mass. and the next slide is -- now, this is the soh performance of the meditation which is the ava maria in the as deck language. i don't know if i am pronouncing it correctly. and our next slide what unites all the people in the church. i think there is one more to look at. there it is. the genesis of this whole thing and that is frank, the composer of the mass of the...
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named her order for the virgin mary. they found common ground in serving patients. if you get this, you get all the rest. because you have different people, different skills and of view, butnts they come together for a common purpose. each one brought something unique to the equation. dr. mayo and louise raised their family right here in rochester, in this house, which is literally across the street from where we are right now. they made a momentous decision when the brothers were quite young. they decided they would mortgage this house and with that mortgage funding, purchase a microscope to help care for dr. mayo's patients. this is an example of a 19th-century microscope of the time that they would have used. the mayo boys were young. they were maybe eight, nine or four or five years old. two of them. there would always remember their parents' sacrifice. they grew up knowing medicine was a true calling. you entered medicine to serve other people and to work together in a cooperative manner. fast-forward to win the mayo's, -- fast-forward to when the mayos, and we
named her order for the virgin mary. they found common ground in serving patients. if you get this, you get all the rest. because you have different people, different skills and of view, butnts they come together for a common purpose. each one brought something unique to the equation. dr. mayo and louise raised their family right here in rochester, in this house, which is literally across the street from where we are right now. they made a momentous decision when the brothers were quite young....
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mountain tops public crucifixes has been destroyed or vandalized and public statues of jesus and the virgin mary have been decapitated or destroyed and according to the observatory in france anti christian attacks have sharply risen since the beginning of twenty nineteen this is paris is historic seoul suit peace last month a fire here briefly caught the attention of the media. it didn't take long for an investigation to say the attack was deliberate and cause nearly a million damage but take a closer look at how it was reported by some news wires the headline reads the church briefly catches fire. almost a month later the story doesn't appear to have been updated suggesting that a deliberate attack on one of paris is largest churches just wasn't backed newsworthy at the same time other anti religious attacks not only make the headlines they stay. the latest official figures from the french government to give us a better insight into what's happening in twenty eighteen there was a shop brian. in the number of anti sematic incidents five hundred forty one that's up seventy four percent compared w
mountain tops public crucifixes has been destroyed or vandalized and public statues of jesus and the virgin mary have been decapitated or destroyed and according to the observatory in france anti christian attacks have sharply risen since the beginning of twenty nineteen this is paris is historic seoul suit peace last month a fire here briefly caught the attention of the media. it didn't take long for an investigation to say the attack was deliberate and cause nearly a million damage but take a...
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it was made in the 14th century that life-size statue of the virgin mary and the baby jesus.this controversy over at the new warriors home that's being built at the chase center. the construction site workers there found a noose on the property across 4 is has reaction now from some of the people who work on that site. racism people >>the chase center construction site after they say a news was found hanging from the ceiling. >>many i spoke with say clark construction is doing the best they can posting. signs like this all around the site reminding workers to respect one another but many i spoke with with so many men on one site there's bound to be some issues. >>the road was removed in san francisco police are currently investigating mortenson clark construction companies sent us a statement. >>that reads in part quote the incident and no way reflects the values and beliefs of our 2 organizations mortenson clark condemns any form of racism or bigotry mike brown is a foreman on the site he ys he's seen racist remarks written on bathroom walls too. >>things like this have happ
it was made in the 14th century that life-size statue of the virgin mary and the baby jesus.this controversy over at the new warriors home that's being built at the chase center. the construction site workers there found a noose on the property across 4 is has reaction now from some of the people who work on that site. racism people >>the chase center construction site after they say a news was found hanging from the ceiling. >>many i spoke with say clark construction is doing the...
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it was made back in the 14th century, it's a life-size statue of the virgin mary and the baby jesus.s 5.32 and happening today the cow palace were of directors is going to vote on a plan to ban gun ships so the vote comes after the san mateo county board of supervisors approved the ban last year with kron four sarah stinson joining us live in daly city with more on this latest proposal, sarah. >>well on the agenda for this cow palace board of directors meeting it says that today this morning they're going to be. voting to approve a statement that says that they will ban all gun shows starting january 1st 2020. now this is not a lot only not only the san mateo county board of supervisors voted in favor of banning. the gun shows there but there's also a senate bill and that's going to come unit committees in sacramento, right now to ban all gun and ammunition sales there. a cow palace is a state own venue looks as though the board of directors won a vote on this action before state legislators approved senate bill on this band so the cow palace host side gun shows a year and has been h
it was made back in the 14th century, it's a life-size statue of the virgin mary and the baby jesus.s 5.32 and happening today the cow palace were of directors is going to vote on a plan to ban gun ships so the vote comes after the san mateo county board of supervisors approved the ban last year with kron four sarah stinson joining us live in daly city with more on this latest proposal, sarah. >>well on the agenda for this cow palace board of directors meeting it says that today this...
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but that was created back in the 14th century the life-size statue of the virgin mary and the baby jesusry in there that is just gone. >>just gotten 9 hours. >>and it's just gone, we should also mention too because we did before nobody was hurt either which is amazing because it had just closed, which is why you know they do construction when it closes but there's still tons of people who live around here work around here that work thousands of people were jammed on the river crossings over the center looking as they were just shocked and people back here in the bay area were shocked and i was right you're looking up at the t v and a san francisco as we said is the sister city one of many sister cities of paris. so in the bay area there are a lot of people's it that are very sad to see this happen in surely they'll be donating as well, you know we've got from 4 stand for now with their reactions. just a sea of people watching this is a fire tearing through notre cathedral, the destruction at the iconic landmark saddening many across the bay area. >>it's heartbreaking. >>i'm not shut down
but that was created back in the 14th century the life-size statue of the virgin mary and the baby jesusry in there that is just gone. >>just gotten 9 hours. >>and it's just gone, we should also mention too because we did before nobody was hurt either which is amazing because it had just closed, which is why you know they do construction when it closes but there's still tons of people who live around here work around here that work thousands of people were jammed on the river...
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at this moment, a statue of the virgin mary being carefully lifted from one of the gables of this historical. the cathedral of cathedrals here in the heart of paris. the survivor of a major fire. there is a huge sense of relief today that this devastating inferno could have caused so much more damage. and yet today there is a sense that this huge cathedral, this historic site, can now be rebuilt. today, tributes are being paid to the hundreds of firefighters who battled through the night to save the cathedral from complete destruction. we have been told about a moment around half an hour long when the edifice was on the brink of com pletely when the edifice was on the brink of completely collapsing. prosecutors say that this was an accident, not arson, and a team of some 50 investigators are now looking into what caused this tragic place. our first report tonight is from richard lester. first report is from richard lister. roofless, smoke scarred, but still standing. there were times overnight when many feared this ancient cathedral would not survive the inferno. but those assessing the da
at this moment, a statue of the virgin mary being carefully lifted from one of the gables of this historical. the cathedral of cathedrals here in the heart of paris. the survivor of a major fire. there is a huge sense of relief today that this devastating inferno could have caused so much more damage. and yet today there is a sense that this huge cathedral, this historic site, can now be rebuilt. today, tributes are being paid to the hundreds of firefighters who battled through the night to...
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violins being played, cellos being played, people singing, an icon of the virgin mary in front of people there. this is a very, very moving, yet somber and spiritual. >> uplifting. but as i say, the real focus now is on what didn't happen. the tragedy, it was terrible, but what survived? the building survived. tonight, all efforts are underway to keep what is left of notre dame in tact, as authorities work to determine the cause of what is believed to be an accidental inferno. in an address to the nation, french president emmanuel macron said -- >> translator: we will rebuild notre dame, even more beautiful. and i want that to be done in the next five years. >> reporter: this as we get our first look inside the world-famous cathedral. sunlight shining down upon the cross and charred remains of the collapsed roof. water is pooled between the pews. all of it evidence of the grand effort to save the grand dame of paris. the fire raged for some hours, as some 400 firefighters fought to ensure all was not lost. earlier, priceless relics plucked from the flames were loaded up for transport to
violins being played, cellos being played, people singing, an icon of the virgin mary in front of people there. this is a very, very moving, yet somber and spiritual. >> uplifting. but as i say, the real focus now is on what didn't happen. the tragedy, it was terrible, but what survived? the building survived. tonight, all efforts are underway to keep what is left of notre dame in tact, as authorities work to determine the cause of what is believed to be an accidental inferno. in an...
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mother alfred, a woman of faith, named her order for the virgin mary. they found common ground. you get this, you get all the rest because you have different people, skills, points of view, but they come together for that, and purpose. each one brought something unique to the equation. dr. mayo and louise raised their family in rochester, in this house across the street from where we are now with the stevens building. iswhere the stevens building located. they decided they would mortgage this house and with that mortgage funding, purchase a microscope to help care for dr. mayo's patients. this is an example of a 19th century microscope they would have used. , 45boys were maybe 8, 9 years old, two of them. they remember their -- four or five years old, two of them. they remember their parents sacrifice your you serve other people -- parents' sacrifice. you serve other people. here we see william and charles as adults, they were the most successful doctors in america by the late 1910s, 1920's. remembering their parents' sacrifice and the franciscan sisters, in 1919 the brothers an
mother alfred, a woman of faith, named her order for the virgin mary. they found common ground. you get this, you get all the rest because you have different people, skills, points of view, but they come together for that, and purpose. each one brought something unique to the equation. dr. mayo and louise raised their family in rochester, in this house across the street from where we are now with the stevens building. iswhere the stevens building located. they decided they would mortgage this...
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aptnthony and the virgin mary. this gives you an idea of what's inside.ng the dead, over 500 more have been injured. and now the government admits they had been warned about a possible attack. they're also saying a local terror group, national thoweed jamath was behind this, but that group has not claimed responsibility. we now know the identity of an american. he was standing in line waiting for his hotel, george. >> fear around the world. >>> we're going to turn to that severe weather threat, about 10 million people bracing for severe storms following a series over the weekend. ginger is backtracking it all. >> hey there. >> officially friday alone in florida, there were 28 reported tornadoes. look at this image from colorado just getting in overnight from hail, that's hail, not snow in colorado, because it's springtime. you're seeing more storms move through. kansas, where you can see that rain shaft. there were wet microbursts within there. and speaking of rain, rain is a huge part of our concern here. we have flood threats from green bay, wichita fal
aptnthony and the virgin mary. this gives you an idea of what's inside.ng the dead, over 500 more have been injured. and now the government admits they had been warned about a possible attack. they're also saying a local terror group, national thoweed jamath was behind this, but that group has not claimed responsibility. we now know the identity of an american. he was standing in line waiting for his hotel, george. >> fear around the world. >>> we're going to turn to that severe...
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beautiful marble statute of 1725 of virgin mary holding jesus also survived.le praying for the survival and the regeneration of this cathedral, very important and national symbol during this holy, week. maria: wow, really interesting to see relics that survived. meanwhile back here, reported earnings for first quarter, ashley remember ster has the details, better than expected number, ashley. ashley: we are going through them now, good morning to you, pepsico earnings per basis, on revenue coming in at 12.88 billion, a beat. the estimate was 12.69 billion. that number coming 3.82 billion. very healthy, indeed. lacking medical revenue over a billion. overall, strong numbers. a company that is trying to adapt to consumers, noncarbonated drinks. that's very important area fnght but overall, maria, pretty strong numbers. maria: all right, we will see any movement from the stock, pepsico has had a pretty good year, we will get back to you, coming up competing with huawei, ready to expand reach, what that means for 5g technology at home, we will check out huawei's p
beautiful marble statute of 1725 of virgin mary holding jesus also survived.le praying for the survival and the regeneration of this cathedral, very important and national symbol during this holy, week. maria: wow, really interesting to see relics that survived. meanwhile back here, reported earnings for first quarter, ashley remember ster has the details, better than expected number, ashley. ashley: we are going through them now, good morning to you, pepsico earnings per basis, on revenue...
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a marble statue of the virgin mary cradling jesus from 1725 also survived the fire.saying the greatest loss, in fact, was that back brint beams called the forest. those trees came from the 18th century and there are no longer such big trees neither in france nor in europe. that is going to be very hard, if not impossible to replace. president macron said last night that he -- we will rebuild notre dame. he said it will take five years. we will make it more beautiful than it ever was before. a lot of people casting doubt on that saying it will take a lot longer. close to a billion dollars has been raised largely by private donors, back to you. steve: could take 5 billion to fix it all. that's an early estimate. amy, thank you very much for the live report. ainsley: i heard the alarm went off, they couldn't find the fire for 20 minutes. ainsley: 20-odd minutes later it was too big to put out immediately. brian: 10 minutes before the bottom of the hour. one hour from the release of the mueller report. but it goes public. does the media owe viewers an apology? not our vi
a marble statue of the virgin mary cradling jesus from 1725 also survived the fire.saying the greatest loss, in fact, was that back brint beams called the forest. those trees came from the 18th century and there are no longer such big trees neither in france nor in europe. that is going to be very hard, if not impossible to replace. president macron said last night that he -- we will rebuild notre dame. he said it will take five years. we will make it more beautiful than it ever was before. a...
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we revere the virgin mary there is a chapters. we believe in jesus his message. to accept the gospel. that aanathema to radical islamists. i'm not talking about the persecution of christians in this attack is unacceptable. pete: dumbs down the entire conversation if we want to get to the heart of it. one of our headlines we caught christianity under attack sri lanka church bombing stoke far right anger in the west. so, it's almost like they stoke a conspiracy that if you are speaking it and saying it like it is that christians are under attack somehow you are fomenting more violence nut future. >> i'm sure that's what islamists would like to do. it's abhorring this attack. we saw the kind of innocent people that were lost in worship. understand the magnitude this attack was six times greater in than christ church where my muslims were killed, 59 muslims were killed. this is 310 people passed away today possibly more coming. yet the magnitude of that assault is not reflected in the global media. saying so does not stoke any anger that is an admission of honesty. p
we revere the virgin mary there is a chapters. we believe in jesus his message. to accept the gospel. that aanathema to radical islamists. i'm not talking about the persecution of christians in this attack is unacceptable. pete: dumbs down the entire conversation if we want to get to the heart of it. one of our headlines we caught christianity under attack sri lanka church bombing stoke far right anger in the west. so, it's almost like they stoke a conspiracy that if you are speaking it and...