the clinton administration, we had three carnival cruise line fires on the universe explorer, the vista ford, and the ecstasy. one of those resulting in the loss of six individuals. unfortunately the truth of the matter is the united states government over these regulatory authority over these foreign flag cruise ships is not very effective. and when you board a cruise ship, you're really dependent on that line and how it operates. and you are a smart passenger if you check out in advance the safety record of these various cruise lines. >> how has the safety record of carnival been in your estimation? >> as i said there were three lines in my time as chairman. in this particular situation, we see 4,000 souls. that's as you know the faa has grounded the 787 over two incidents and we have a situation here in which 10 or 11 787s of peoples' health and safety has been endangered over the past few days. this is not because the cruise industry is not aware with there are fires. unfortunately there is no redundancy on these ships to provide power for them to operate in situations like this. >> that