vitalii. it was shocking.ed up late i playing some computer games and just before half past four, ithink, i heard planes - overflying my house. and it was a very strange, uh, you know, thing to hear- in the middle of the night, - because you wouldn't normally, uh, hear any military aircraft taking off at such a time. . uh, and so i went to bed and i think at half past. seven, my mother, she, - uh, came into my room and she said, "vitalii, wake up. the war began. " and she pointed at thel direction of the military airfield, and i saw plumes of smoke still rising - and i understood that- indeed, the unimaginable, the unthinkable had happened. i remember people were crying in supermarkets. i they were trying to i embrace one another. and we were... we were scared. 0lga? i was woken up at 5am by my nephew. he called me at five and said, "0lga, wake up, the war has started." he said, "go and, uh, make, uh, some watersupplies." then ijumped off my bed and started pouring water. my kids woke up and didn't know what h

hello, i'm vitalii shevchenko, co—host of the bbc�*s podcast ukrainecast.ljens stoltenberg. he worked with donald trump before and now he discusses what donald trump's second presidency means for the alliance for ukraine and what keeps him awake at night. ukrainecast from bbc news.

hello, i'm vitalii shevchenko, co—host of the bbc�*s podcast ukrainecast.er, my colleague victoria derbyshire and me recorded a conversation with the former nato secretary generaljens stoltenberg. he worked with donald trump before and now he discusses what donald trump's second presidency means for the alliance for ukraine and what keeps him awake at night. ukrainecast from bbc news. mr stoltenberg, welcome to ukrainecast. thank you so much for having me. you have stepped down, but you have also been in touch with donald trump since he won the us presidential election. can i ask you what your... i know you texted. what was your what did your exchange involve? —— what was your... what did your exchange involve? it was a very brief exchange. i texted him after the elections and congratulated him on the victory. i think that's a proper thing to do when he wins the elections. and he thanked me. and i think that reflects the fact that we actually worked together for four years from 2016 to 2020. um, so the last time when he was president, we had a good working