kristen welker, ali vitali, thank you. again, that event in wilmington, delaware, set to start at 3:15 this afternoon. we'll have it live on msnbc. mike memoli will be back for that. >>> i'm joined now by the speaker of the house, nancy pelosi. madam speaker, good morning to you once again. >> good morning. >> thank you for your time. we've still seen no progress on a round of relief for americans. there hasn't been any contact between congressional democrats and the white house. why is that? >> well, because we have a vast difference in our values. let me first say because you just were talking about our new candidate for vice president, one point that i haven't heard made, and that is kamala harris is not only the choice as a woman of color, she is the best person that joe biden could name. there are many people who would do no harm. there are many people who could be president. but to have those two combined with the person he had the comfort level with to serve. it's about governance as your commentator said. it's abou

ali vitali, robert coster, cornell belcher and mike murphy.hank you all. >>> up ahead -- college campuses and covid. is this memorial day 2.0? universities that started to reopen are forced to change those plans and fast. are we heading for another post memorial day-style spike in cases? are we bracing for a horrible september? >>> plus, more on the new bipartisan senate report revealing new details and never before seen evidence about the trump campaign's embrace of russia's election interference in 2016. we'll talk to a member of the senate intel committee next. >>> of course, all this hour we'll continue to share some of our most memorable moments. this is from the second night of past democratic conventions. we'll start in 2004. there was this little known state senator from illinois who had just won the democratic nomination for u.s. senate in illinois. a guy named barack obama elect riified the crowd in boston. >> even as we speak, there are those who are preparing to divide us. the spin masters, the negative ad peddlers who embrace the

ali vitali, the speeches last night, history making.orceful speech from former president obama, then senator harris accepting the nomination. take us how these speeches came together. what do we know about that process? >> even just the overarcing theme of the night, shaq touched on this, a master class in substantive storytelling, deeper on the policy front but still connecting this narrative of united america on a policy front trying to push past the trump administration. it's the democratic message we've heard throughout the week but with strong messengers like hillary clinton, elizabeth warren, of course, barack obama and kamala harris in those two keynote speeches to cap off the night. start with president obama, it was unprecedented, and i know that's a word we toss around a lot, but in this case it really does fit. presidents don't typically attack other presidents, especially not in the way that obama did last night, rebuking trump not on seemingly petty policy politics, but instead focusing remarks on trump eroding democracy. t

guys. >> ali vitali in washington. thanks. one thing i want to point out that i noticed that i found interesting is the speakers. major democratic leaders spoke. a lot of citizens speaking at the rnc. >> any celebrities as far as we know, ali? that would be a contrast to the democrats. >> reporter: the dnc did highlight the average american voices there as well. i think both parties will try to use the virtual format to their advantage in that way. i have to say watching the entirety of the dnc, the format was a little jarring. i think given the argument they were trying to make, the somber nature, they used the format to their advantage. i'm really interested in seeing how the republicans use it to their advantage as well. if it goes off similarly glitch free. >> thankfully senator harper was not responsible for any of the zoom calls. >> no. >> all right. ali, thank you. >>> president trump unleashed a new line of attack on mail-in voting. this time sounding the alarm that involves the house speaker. why? why? okay... okay! s

we have ali vitali with me now. many candidates on this list. they narrowed down the search or have they? >> campaigning all around the country until the pandemic and last week when i was on with you, you referenced me never being home. here i am now. as far as the veepstakes go, look, i had one democratic operative. i heard her say this is silly season. if you talk to the biden campaign, we know what the former vice president wants in his own vice president. he wants a partner. that's because he knows the job better than anybody else. he knows what made him effective in that role to then president barack obama. now he is looking for his own number two. in the context, you see names popcorning up having their moment in the press. we are getting down to the final days and weeks before vice president biden makes that pick. as my colleague likes to say, those who know probably aren't talking. those who are talking are probably allies for the women who would like to give them that one final push be it publicly or privately with the campaign to get t

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keep us posted ali vitali. we'll check in with you in a bit. right now president trump stepping up those attacks on the biden/harris ticket. the president is now, as ali mentioned, encouraging this false and racist birther conspiracy about kamala harris like the one he pushed for years against former president obama as well. nbc's carol lee is moat the whi house with more on this part of the story. walk us through the latest attack from the president bringing back this birther lie now being directed at kamala harris. >> reporter: sure. craig, this started with a column published by "newsweek" this week that raised the question of whether senator harris was eligible to serve as vice president because, according to the author, either of her parents were naturalized citizens at the same time she was born. senator harris was born in california as you said. there's no merit to this question of whether or not she's eligible to serve, but president trump when he was asked about it yesterday refused to denounce it. let's take a listen to what he had to

mike memoli and ali vitali have been all over this reporting. president said first week of august. last i checked, that's over. what's going on? >> the word we've been using to describe this process is deliberative. that's a polite way of saying that joe biden is taking his time. obviously, this is a consequential decision. just as important is the way they'll roll out this decision. that's where the effect of the pandemic can't be understated. we're looking at a virtual announcement. the biden campaign team was really in intense discussions over the weekend. preparations for this announcement should it come any time in the next few days. if joe biden made a decision it's not one communicated widely within the biden campaign, though. biden seems to be one of the only people enjoying this process. he was teasing reporters as he was in rehoboth beach this weekend, asking him about it, joking with one that he chose him as his running mate. but, steph, it's hard to overstate the anticipation now. a lot of suspense and intrigue has turned into just a

nbc's ali vitali and kristen welker are in wilmington, delaware. so much of the build-up this week for joe biden has been about his decency, his character, humanity. is that going to be the focus? will that be what we see of joe biden tonight or is he going to dig into policy? >> well, i think he has to do both because last night, frankly, was one of the most substantive nights in terms of policy. i know i'm a nerd for this, but there was no part of it that wasn't effective and interesting. it was woven into a larger narrative. that's what the best politicians can do. talk about substance while also weaving it into a larger story. so i think joe biden should do that. lean into the policy a little bit. then there's the question, though, of if he will when we were out on the campaign trail with him, whenever he'd go into policy, which was rare, he would apologize to the crowd and apologize for boring them and going a little wonkish. that being said, i do know there's a clamoring from the people who have been watching this democratic primary from the

nbc's ali vitali is in wilmington, delaware, ahead of that biden harris event just a couple hours from now. so we saw them preview what their campaign is going to look like at that first event together on wednesday. how effective was that? what are we expecting today, ali? >> reporter: craig, yesterday we saw those initial waves of excitement, the metric of people showing up at the event they held yesterday in wilmington, and it wasn't even publicly announced where that event was and it wasn't even open to the publ public. then the measurable metric for how much excitement there is around this ticket came in the form of fund-raising numbers, $26 million in 24 hours and 150,000 of those donors are first-time donors to the biden campaign. yesterday, you're right. we saw name lay out the fact that the pandemic is going to feature heavily in the message. yesterday they started laying out the case. today optically that case is going to be made. their first event together a roundtable about coronavirus with public health officials. it's probably going to be a stark contrast, whereas presiden

so with me now from wilmington, delaware, is nbc news political reporter ali vitali. ali, you have harris, obama, and hillary clinton. what should we expect from all three? >> certainly, the history is going to be the backdrop, katy, but we're also likely to hear more about policy than we have in the last two nights. we should expect to see videos and presentations about things like immigration, climate change, the economy. those very issues that this democratic primary hinged on for well over a year. and then, of course, there's going to be a continued rebuke of president donald trump. that, of course, comes from the people who you mentioned that are speaking tonight. people like barack obama and hillary clinton, certainly coming ready to give pointed rebuttals to the trump presidency over the course of the last three years. while also making the case for joe biden. and this convention provides an opportunity for biden to be seen not just as obama's vice president but as the presidential nominee in his own right. the same goes for kamala harris. no longer is she just

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alis have vitali reports. >> reporter: president trump backing down from conspiracy theories on kamala harris's eligibility to run for vice president. >> reporte >> will you say she's eligible? >> so, i have nothing to do with that. >> have thought she would have been vetted by sleepy joe. >> reporter: harris, the center of the president's campaign attacks. a fund-raising email calling her the meanest, most horrible, most d disrespe disrespectful. it comes on the heels of trump raising false and racist conspiracy theories about the senator. >> i heard it today that she doesn't meet the requirements. i have no idea if that's right. >> reporter: harris ignoring the on slaught. instead, laser focused on making the election a referendum on trump's first term in office. >> this is what happens when we elect a guy who just isn't up for the job. our country ends up in tatters. >> reporter: rolling into the democratic national convention with a dual message against trump and for party unity. harris set to make history wednesday as the first woman of color tapped to be a major party's v.p. in h

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. >> in the beginning of the campaign, ali vitali was covering bless warren's campaign, and she was dropping moment every week. i remember brookings or somebody criticized her for one of her policies, and it was headlines, and i remember saying at least she had something to criticize. she put a policy forward, but i hear that sometimes people say she seemed like a professor. isn't that a good thing? >> i think that's an excellent thing. also what i would say about senator warren is having served within the obama administration. she also has a keen understanding of how government works. susan rice has been the same thing. i think given the challenges that i hope president biden will be inheriting, you want somebody who understands how to create policy and how to complement the policy in the way that will improve the lives of the american people. susan rice and elizabeth warren both have that skill set. >> you had a real sense of what president obama about what information he was getting or not. we're getting increasingly alarming information about how russia interferes with an election. it no

>> monica alba, ali vitali, thank you. >>> jalissa washington price worked on kamala harris' primary campaign as the deputy political director. krish vignarasha and matt gorman, worked on jeb bush and mitt romney's presidential campaigns. thank you very much for joining us. you know kamala harris very well. have you had a chance to speak to her since she was tapped to be biden's running mate and tell me what you think about how thee did on her debut on the ticket. she's obviously very familiar on the big stage. she's been there many times before but this one obviously has a different feel to it. >> yes, most likely. we have exchanged text messages. i congratulated her and emphasized how historical this moment is. the world got to see what we know most about kamala harris yesterday. she is a champion for the people. she was able to showcase that yesterday on the stage and everyone gets to see how great of a ticket she and vice president biden will be. >> krish, we were talking about energy and enthusiasm. one metric for that is the money game. the campaign saying it raised $26 million

. >> nbc's ali vitali. thanks. >> rashad richey joining us again. you heard ali's reporting there. do more damage to the president. >> yeah. obviously he doesn't realize that. here we go again. republicans need to get a new bag of tricks. they tried this one on president barack obama. it didn't work on him. it damn well sure won't work on a woman from oakland. he pledged the idea. the idea takes root with many of his base. i've had republicans call my show every since he say it to basically defend the position that she's not eligible to be vice president or president. let me be very clear. the u.s. constitution and the 14th amendment solves this equation simply. the u.s. supreme court in 1898 with a case of wong kong arc -- arc versus the united states, if they're born in the united states, they ee citizens. that supreme court decision has never been overturned. that is our rule of law, and that is how we operate in the united states of america. we are a land of law still. >> you know, rashad, a lot of people are coming to her defense burke do you know who's not coming to her defen

ali vitali is in biden's home of wilmington, delaware. she's been all over this story this week. good morning to you. >> reporter: good morning, kristen, a full week for joe biden with several events announcing his running mate kamala harris. two days before the democratic national convention, the two are gearing up for a general election campaign that few candidates have experienced before. >> the newly minted democratic ticket. >> we're going to make this official official. >> signing the paperwork to receive the democratic nomination for president and vice president next week. >> ready, set, go. >> reporter: it caps off a week of hammering president trump's handling of the pandemic, channelling roosevelt on the path forward. >> overcome an immediate crisis was just job one, but job two is to build back better than before. that's the task before us. >> reporter: the public health crisis a focal point of their electoral pitch, from mask wearing. >> we need a clear message from the very top of our federal government that everyone needs to wear a mask in public. >> reporter: to de

joining me now, nbc news reporter alli vitaly. what are you hearing about what a decision is being made? >> that's the question. question know that joe biden said earlier this week that he's going to have a pick the first week of august. that may or may not be true. but we know we're going to get a pick in the next two weeks before the democratic convention. and, of course, i know this hour you're going to be drilling down on kamala harris and elizabeth warren and where they stand. but i think there's the politics of it and then the second frame you add on to it of gender. on the politics frond, kamala harris and elizabeth warren, we know how they run. we know they're good fundraisers and the way they act on the stump. we also know that they appeal to certain groups of voters when they ran themselves and we also know what groups of voters they didn't necessarily catch fire with. but they have an intimate understanding of where the democratic electorate is at right now because they were able to be out there with voters back when th

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ali vitali, thank you for that. >>> joining us the laura trump, good morning. first we want to start by extending our condolences to you and the entire trump family for your loss. >> thank you so much. well it is great to be with you guys. and thank you, robert will be very miss by all of us. >> the democratic national convention this last week your father-in-law repeatedly attacked joe biden as sleepy joe and slow joe but his acceptance speech on thursday was widely praised. even fox news described it as enormously effective. so doesn't that blow a hole in the president's argument? >> well the fact that he got through a speech that was on a teleprompter. i mean, we kind of expected that. it was all laid out for him there. but i think what you are going to see is a very different depiction of america. what we saw last week from the democrats really, their entire convention was about bashing donald trump. and it was a dark, dismal and really depressing vision of america i think that they presented. we are going to have the opposite. our ours will be hopeful and

ali vitali in wilmington, delaware, carol lee at the white house. this roll-out is now complete. they raised a ton of dough online. tell us about what's next. >> steph, yesterday was a day where we saw several metrics of enthusiasm. i saw people showing up outside kamala harris' house in d.c. before she left hoping to catch a glimpse of her. crowds outside of their event in wilmington, delaware. when you can quantify, though, is cold, hard cash. $26 million in 24 hours, the best fundraising day of the campaign, and not just your usual biden donor either. the campaign is boasting 150,000 new donors. first-time donors who came to them in the wake of this announcement. so, clearly, a big day for growing their grassroots base. typically at a point like this in a campaign when you just got a newly minted ticket they'd be taking that show on the road. right now the road looks a little different. we'll see them in wilmington, delaware, for a briefing with public health officials. it will hammer home the point both of them made yesterday. the rhetorical contrast between how the biden/har

let's bring in ali vitali in d.c. senator harris was essentially the choice from wire to wire. what does she bring to the ticket that nobody else does? >> reporter: she felt like the choice from wire to wire. and it's interesting, steph, both in terms of what she brings and in terms of what she doesn't. in terms of what she brings to this ticket, she has been vetted nationally. in her own bid for president, she was out on the campaign trail, taking the pulse of the country from state to state, which seems like a novel concept now because that type of campaigning is a relic of this prepandemic past. what she also brings is someone who has a knowledge of how the hill works. she is known for holding trump officials to account in some of those hearings she participated in on capitol hill, some of them with viral moments that came out of them. so much of the electorate is sitting at their computers going into the fall. she's someone who can speak directly with an experien experience-based rebuke to donald trump and mike pence's law and order message, especially debate season when sh

with me now is msnbc's ali vitali.hat more can you tell us about the lobbying that is going on inside the biden campaign? >> well, alicia, you know there is no shortage of opinions in washington. and so as we get down to these final weeks before a vice presidential pick is officially made, there is that lobbying going on publicly and privately to make sure that allies of these contenders feel that those women are getting the best look that they possibly can. and so while all that lobbying is going on, i think it's sort of important to remember all the pieces of this puzzle that go into the effect eventual pick. of course you've got the vetting that goes on behind the scenes and the politics and the strategy and the personal relationships that will eventually go into making this decision. but then there is also the external factors. just think about where we've been since april when biden became the presumptive nominee of the party. we've sort of been in this ticking clock of who is joe biden going to pick as his vice p

. >> i want to start in wilmington, delaware, with my colleague ali vitali. fo former vp joe biden and kamala harris will be delivering their speech tomorrow. you were completely focused last night. what were your biggest takeaways? >> steph, i think the most glaring thing that stood out to me from the top was that the party has learned its lesson from 2016. they're not going to let a lack of unity not let them survive. the video that featured all that he did to bernie sanders who made one of the most forceful cases for a politician that isn't him telling his coalition they should turn out and vote for joe biden. all the way down to those republicans, both the average americans who are no longer voting for trump and someone like john kasich who made the case. and, look, this format was different. you laid it out. it took a little while to get into, but there were things about it that alolowed them to o things you couldn't do at a normal convention. hearing from average americans. those back on the road when that was a thing, giving them a chance to tell their

ali vitali, launch for us.circle. >> a ten out of ten. >> appreciate your artwork much better. >> you can both flex in d.c. thanks, guys. >> bye. >> that's true. >>> much more ahead today on msnbc. get this -- hillary clinton joins "am joy" for a live interview starting at 10:00 a.m. eastern. >> pretty cool. >>> thank you, everybody, for watching msnbc. we'll be back next weekend at 6:00 a.m. eastern time. i'm kendis gibson. >> and valerie jarrett is our gex necessary. and shrank tumors in over half of patients. patients taking ibrance can develop low white blood cell counts, which may cause serious infections that can lead to death. ibrance may cause severe inflammation of the lungs that can lead to death. tell your doctor right away if you have new or worsening symptoms, including trouble breathing, shortness of breath, cough, or chest pain. before taking ibrance, tell your doctor if you have fever, chills, or other signs of infection, liver or kidney problems, are pregnant, breastfeeding, or plan to become p

carol lee at the white house, garrett haake outside a post office office in tacoma, washington, ali vitali in wilmington, delaware. let me begin with carol as we look at the headlines now. alarm bells going off around the country from pennsylvania to michigan, all about election day. the president doesn't want to send more money to the postal service, so it can actually handle that extra volume. >> right. the president has been criticizing mail-in voting for months. he said it would lead to widespread fraud, no evidence of that, but we know his campaign has been challenging efforts to expand mail-in voting during the pandemic in states across the country. what you're seeing is the president using the levers of government to make this process more difficult. and it comes as he requests his own mail-in ballot to vote absentee in florida and that's not the first time that he will have done this. and he's trying to make this distinction between absentee voting and widespread voting by mail. saying that one is the widespread voting by mail would be subject to more fraud. there is no indication

nbc's ali vitali is in wilmington, delaware, with more.king at these polls, specifically at issues democrats are weaker on, what can we expect from tonight? >> steph, the big question throughout the democratic primary was, how will democrats take it to trump on the economy? at that point, the economy was doing pretty good. now we're in a recession and that's going to be one of the focal points as the democratic national convention kicks off, focusing on the pandemic, the recession it spurred and the civil unrest around racial injustice around the country. that's going to be the substance in terms of the issues. the thing that strikes me is the hammering home that the party is trying to do that it's a big tent with room for a lot of different kinds of voters. and it merges two theories of the case that i've heard. it hinges on how do democrats win? the first theory being, democrats can't win without turning out voters who are already democrats but who may not turn out to vote regularly. specifically targeting black and brown voters who may

vitaly bespalov says he was one of them. >> jacoby: can you explain, what is the internet research agencyaking russian) >> (translated): it's a company that creates a fake perception of russia. they use things like illustrations, pictures-- anything that would influence people's minds. when i worked there, i didn't hear anyone say, "the government runs us" or "the kremlin runs us," but everyone there knew and everyone realized it. >> jacoby: was the main intention to make the ukrainian government look bad? >> (translated): yeah, yeah, that's what it was. this was the intention with ukraine. put president poroshenko in a bad light and the rest of the government, and the military, and so on. (speaking russian) you come to work and there's a pile of sim cards, many, many sim cards, and an old mobile phone. you need an account to register for various social media sites. you pick any photo of a random person, choose a random last name, and start posting links to news in different groups. >> narrator: the russian propaganda had its intended effect: helping to sow distrust and fear of the ukrain

of the biden operation, center of the political universe this week for sure, is my colleague alley vitaly, she's been following harris since she was a presidential candidate. monica alba, following the trump campaign for us as they prepare for their own convention next week. and she's talking to people in clinton world about hillary's speech. then president of the center for american progress and adviser to hillary clinton and barack obama. allie, let me start with you. give me a sense, what is the goal of tonight if the biden campaign has a goal of tonight's a success, how? >> i think there's a few things. obviously the theme is uniting america, something that former vice president joe biden talks about a lot. but conventions also a chance for reframings. for joe biden it's a reintroduction for him not as president obama's number two but as his own entity at the top of the ticket. for senator kamala harris, it's a chance for her to step out of the role of just being a united states senator and someone who failed when she ran for president earlier this year. but now stepping into that rol

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