yes, and we return to the conversation with vitaly shevchenko. vitaliy, we heard that there was a window on the border, and that there was some alleged... ukrainian trail, so why doesn't the kremlin blame ukraine directly? you know, olya, there is a certain hierarchy of heads that tell russians how they should interpret all these events. the kremlin and putin's spokesman, dmitry pyaskov, they, well, blamed ukraine, but no directly, they entered... there was such a room for maneuver, but other russian figures, they said quite directly, this is ukraine, among them, for example, the head of the russian security council and alexander bortnikov, the head of the fsb, they said yes, behind this and ukraine, and the united states, and great britain, but one must understand that the proof. they did not provide any, and it would be naive to expect that russian television and the russian authorities would somehow roll out such a neat and elegant theory about why ukraine with all this connected, that's not how it all works on russian television, yes, but let's look