vitaliy the ruthless head of the all-ukrainian association of employers of machine builders of ukraine and the head of a number of defense industry enterprises. vitaliy, we are glad to see each other, as well as yuriy voytenko, the founder and head of the swedish company wireless - pitupi technology, which manufactures high-tech technological products which are used in the army of sweden and in a number of nato countries. congratulations to yury. thank you for joining the broadcast. good day, mr. vitaly. i will start with you and start with a simple one. today they discussed the next package of american aid there, they were proud of what we will receive, we see that we are getting another package of american aid there, belyhammers, high - precision projectiles, etc. defense today, thank you for your question, mr. serhii well, first of all, i want you and our tv viewers and everyone who hears us to understand that defense, the industrial complex is a component part of the national security and defense sector, so i won't be able to give you specific answers on such a broadcast with you, what is our defense doing today, that is, i can say that i will give answers to such general questions first of all, our defense industry is currently engaged in preserving er production facilities, personnel potential, preserving the er capabilities to produce products because our enemy is insidiously destroying er all cells of the defense industry, so i won’t say who and what can assure you that the military-political leadership of the country at the moment already fully understands that it is necessary to engage in its own development, it is necessary to finance its defense-industrial complex, it is necessary to finance its army, and it is already engaged in this, but the question is that miracles does not exist, unfortunately, in the world, and if there is a technological cycle from development there to production, which is calculated there sometimes in decades, sometimes in years, sometimes in months, then this technological cycle goes on and, unfortunately, we need it now it should also be taken into account that we need to restore those chains that were destroyed by our enemy. for example , we are all happy that the city of izyum was liberated from the invaders by our military, but on the territory of the city of izyum there was one of the key enterprises of our country, for example, instrument-making companies, which made various devices for those controlled there. of anti-tank missiles there, it was completely destroyed, there is nothing left of it, one of the problems that we are currently dealing with is restoring production and devices that were produced at this enterprise. and this is not it it will not be a simple question. such devices can be produced by not many countries in the world . at the stage of its neutral status, it ensured the unique development of its defense industry there, and howitzers, howitzers, and howitzers. in love, other systems are actually related to sweden. what unique recipes were used by the swedish leadership that ensured such advancement and what are the recommendations are adaptive for the current existence of the ukrainian pc p yuriy, we have lost connection and then when we will actually establish a connection on a new issue . and state industry, what role does mr. tych prom play, which is well known to you, ukroboronprom, the ministry of defense, is there any normal distribution of the area of responsibility, or so far in fact the main emphasis is placed on the ministry of defense, and the industry is still drawn to the initiative of the military, what is it in this triangle of administrations, prom in the cobra and the ministry of defense , unfortunately, unfortunately, i can say that the leading role of the administrative industry is not yet there, although i believe that it should to be and all normative legal acts of the legislator, normative legal acts must not must exist in such a way that it should be the leading role of the ministry of economy of ukraine ministry of strategic industries unfortunately for the ministry of defense, well, in some government documents, ukroboronprom is recorded as trying to do something. well, who? who is an interesting customer for you? ukroboronprom is not a customer. ukroboronprom is a coordinator for state-owned enterprises. i personally communicate with the manager and he calls me. dialogue, if something is needed, i can do it, then i will do it, but the problem is that they are not the customers of the state defense order of the contract . 90% of private enterprises that still exist in ukraine are not involved, for example, a hundred, perhaps, thousands of owners and managers of machine-building enterprises, devices of construction enterprises of other enterprises would be ready to participate in this cooperation, but ukroboronprom by virtue of its er, well, it is such an economic structure as hers, for example, my company there, it cannot unite us, only the administration of prom or the ministry of defense can unite us, er, as far as i know at the moment, the role of the administration about the language the management is coming back and getting involved a little bit in coordinating this work, unfortunately for the new complex, we will write who is doing what. well, today he is trying to do it . of the state body, give the telephone details , the address of the company, write what they do for the defense-industrial complex. everything must be done in closed mode, in secret mode, that's all. the coordination of the report should take place in the same way . the kharkiv offensive operation was being prepared there, for example, that 's why i knew a little bit about the administration of prom, let's say, it is starting to perform its functions of coordinating all public and private enterprises. so far, this work is being carried out. it is already being conducted then, after all, i will now repeat the question to mr. yury, because the connection was lost, you must have heard the question, i.e. what recipes can sweden have that would speed up the transformation of the ukrainian defense industry even in the conditions of hostilities, the recipe, please yuri well, this is probably the most important recipe that sweden has, specifically, it is probably the triangle of interaction between science in industry and the armed forces. where this triangle is extremely effective is in sweden. this is a guarantee that the newest developments that you are talking about i said that because of the gripper and many, many other things, and they are basically implemented in the armed forces and give new opportunities. what are the priorities for state entrepreneurs or is there an absolutely different format of interaction between the customer and the manufacturer? what is happening in sweden? well, of course, there is no ukroboronprom . there is such a structure. compare, but i’m pushing it a lot, because it ’s very similar to a gift, you know. that is, it’s a structure that, in principle, sets strategic tasks with a long horizon . and even with the result when the scientific result is, in principle, not always the result of iron, i.e. well, as they say, a negative result in science is normal, this is also a result, because we saved time, very seriously, this is probably significant, which can ukraine should take it from sweden, that is, vitaliyke you to comment on yuri’s words, do we actually have to pay attention to this swedish experience? are we actually not up to it now? and we should at least stabilize the production of current weapons samples and repairs, but when we we will look beyond the horizon. thank you for the question. well, first of all, i fully support everything i said to yuri and uh, it is about the fact that non-legderps in ukraine are necessary, and you know, mr. serhii, that for a long time, uh, and by decree of the president, the teachings of the cabinet of ministers have been given of the minister of technology to create an agency of the state agency for development according to the analogue of a blow, but unfortunately, when i worked there, we had discussions that were not very constructive at this time with my colleagues about what the time has now said to yuri, that's what everyone in us says that we need to save budget funds there, and that is why we do not need another state agency. and we need to