and john doherty brought back vito turso, and i think of them as a team. vito promoted people that i knew then. they were my hooks. if you have a hook, that is some one who can speak on your behalf and help you solve a problem. my hooks, the artist in residence and a former policy analyst with sanitation, and they talked to him on my behalf. that was the wedge. that was the foot in the door. i think that vito recognized that was not crazy. and certainly i proved my stubbornness because it had been two years. he helped the artist in residence with some of her projects. from a bureaucratic perspective, you would never approve them. but he has a much deeper understanding of the possible implications and how you have to let creative thinkers have room to do their work. he was more open-minded than his predecessor. >> i saw a documentary in the last year of new yorkers who make a living running around the city and getting bottles. what is the interaction between those folks -- they going into the trash cans and all that stuff -- and some of the make real money.