vitol ceo.thv we have a comment coming through on radio from the european commissioner, talking about how the comments we have heard from the chancellor, the tax cut he proposed is not a good initiative. what do we read into? what did you make of this pledge to get tax out? it seems like a lot, but there was a plan to get down to 17 already. >> there was. and this is all about signaling, really. he is indicating -- hold your horses, don't go anywhere, there could be good things in store down the line. occurstening to this, it to me that there may have been a secondary objective, to put a bargaining chip on the table with the eu, to say, look, we can be disruptive -- anna: if you can compete on tax. >> we can be a good neighbor or bad neighbor, and we can be a bad neighbor. manus: when we talk about haven and we talk about gilt, what i have for you is 30 year and 10 year government bonds, which are lurching ever towards new record lows in both of these markets. i'm thinking about the gilt market.