many friends who particularly women -- we have many friends who can't have babies and have tried in vitro fertilization or surrogate moms. you can look at modern cases, you know, the mom who had eight kids or whatever, you know that's a tough issue, too. i don't have a firm position on it either because i don't particularly like the idea of the government coming in and telling her how many kids she should have. it's irresponsible. i have four kids i can't tell you how many people in the grocery store would like at me and say, are you kidding? you're having another one? you know, it's like it was so irresponsible to have four so where does the line get drawn. we conservatives need to be having lots of babies by the way so y'all go out and be fruitful and multiply. i don't know about, you know, 17 or how many that lady has. [laughter] >> it's her business, you know? is it wrong, yeah, okay. so i think that that more of a religious argument. that it is generally along religious lines that we come up with our perspective. catholics have a very different perspective on it than other denominati

you know, a life is a life and should we start messing around with lives and when we start doing in vitro fertilization and something does that lead to some kind of cloning and picking out blue eyes and eliminating babies who have any deficiencies? what we perceive to be deficiencies that, you know, are not deficiencies. .. things i have heard on the news, i come up to people who are saying they are biased because it comes from a source that is conservative work -- how can we -- especially where we have snippet news, seconds, how can we help other people to be informed on information, get past the point where just because they disagree with what it is saying they try to argue that it is biased? >> that is another diversionary tactic because instead of arguing the point they would just say that is fox news and it doesn't count. fox news has both sides on it. i think it is well represented. you have to argue the fact, this is where your intelligence and knowledge base comes into play. if you know the facts he will be able to pull them back from those diversionary tactics, what do you know a