day. tina reynolds, reverend vivian nixon, and althea butler and chloe angyal.nt to start with again this deeply ethical question, i think, of shackling mothers who are giving birth in prison. in 37 states, there's no law against shackling mothers. give us a sense of what that kind of policy even means. >> it means you're treating women like animals, and it is just not right. nobody is getting up in the middle of childbirth to go away. >> i remember. >> nobody is getting up to go away. to shackle a woman is just in the most painful, but most joyous thing happening to you, you have to remember you're a possession of the state, and the state will hold everything about you. there's no reason to do this at all. where would you go? what would you do? it makes no sense whatsoever. on a humane basis, if we can't get rid of the death penalty, we could stop shackling women. >> apart from the fact it is cruel and inhumane, it is ill advised. american college of obstetricians and gynecologists came out against it, it prevents doctors from performing medical necessary opera