it's something that you create in a want at this point that you create a new president vladimir zaleski has said that he, he wants, although he's recognized that under nato standards, it couldn't happen until after the current conflict. and again, there's been a conflict between russia and ukraine since since 2014. um, i think though, when we think about whether ukraine should uh, eventually join nato. it's useful to think of a balance sheet of how would ukraine's membership enhance to trance versus the possibility that it might provide a provocation that would cause russia to reinstate so many people hope that nato is the basic data is the ultimate to current. so i think that that is subject to questioning. i fear that the nato pledge and ukraine's case would potentially have a credibility problem. because in fact, a when ukraine has been attacked by russia since 2014 and since 2022, every nato country has demonstrated that it did not, in fact, wish to go to war with russia directly to defend ukraine as article 5 of nato's charter would. would require, so that makes be concerned how wo