vmware reason $6 billion in its offering.ally in high yield, carnival returning to the market, pricing new bond yielding at 4% coupon down from 11.5% last year at the height of the crisis. lisa shalett, greg peters, ashok bhatia are with us. 4% coupon for 11.5% last year. after all the talk happening with the market, fears of overgrowth, what does that tell you? greg: what a difference 12 months make. there are a billion reasons to be positive on credit. the challenge ultimately is one of valuation. we are in this credit repair phase, coming out of the lockdowns. that is quite positive for corporate credit writ large. the challenge, ultimately, is are you getting compensated for the quality and default risk. that gets more challenging. ti lisa -- to lisa's point, that is where the excess liquidity is going. it is not being forced in the u.s. treasury market as much as it is being placed in the corporate credit market. i think that is an accelerator where spreads are going, where they've been. jonathan: lisa? your take. lisa: