also joining our conversation is dustin volz of reuters who cover toes cyber and surveillance. >> thank you for being here, professor. how is this issue of knowledge of technology affecting government prosecutors, government lawyers who have to deal with cyber or criminals, who often have to use cyber means to pursue those criminals? is in this warting criminal investigations -- in this thwarg criminal investigations? >> guest: after i graduated from law school, i became a criminal prosecutor at the justice department, so i was in a unit called the computer crime and intellectual property section, and it's funny because now i'm such an old man that this was really a half generation ago where we were just beginning to deal with hackers and viruses and all sorts of emerging challenges online. and at the time and probably more so today, it was really a challenge to kind of figure out how to take these very old tools we had and adapt them to something as new as kind of exciter hacking. computer hacking. and so it is a constant struggle of reeducation and trying to keep up. >> so is part of

we can guess that emanuel volz might be there. which person better suited to carry the mandate? >> it is going to be an existential fight for the uture of france. one is a bit of a protectionist. he is fighting for the heart of the socialist party with traditionally the trade unions and you will a the people who are more on the left of the party. emanuel, is it he does run, is more of a send terrorist. e is ready to -- he is a centrist. he wanted to change the look of the party. he said the word socialist should be dropped. he is not talking about that anymore at this people. t that tells you the direction he wanted to go.. the primary is at the end of january. so we have two months debate that. you have to keep in mind that he is ready to go. they have been united and h hav no in-fighting. whoever runs for the socialist party is going to have a heart time this year no matter what. but maybe it is the right time to have a discussion about what the party is and what its future might be. >> will they be able to recover head of the vote next april? >> well, you have some commentato

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